Shute Shield 2013

[en_force_er]

Not a 3 Tier thread BUT.
There are strengths with the current Shute Shield model why tear it apart - lets develop it.
Australian Rugby has a window post Club and Super Rugby that the likes of NZ & SA have filled - this is the window I think we should look to fill, and if this is established by - well that is the question with lots of varying answers.

It's not happening sadly.

What IS happening is 45-55 man Super rugby squads with a higher empathises on "A" games.

At least it'll keep the integrity of SS and might even see Penrith become more compeditive as Syd Uni miss even more players, but it wouldn't be my answer to player developement.

It's better than what we've got now though, so I'm less opposed to it than some.

 

[2bluesfan]

Thommo's match report for the Two Blues v Eastwood match is available at http://twobluesrugby.com.au

 

[Dave Beat]

It's not happening sadly. True, others you'd possibly agree with any way so not questioning

What IS happening is 45-55 man Super rugby squads with a higher empathises on "A" games. Doesn't fill that void post Super / Club window and really are these players playing for a club that they are wanting to.

At least it'll keep the integrity of SS and might even see Penrith become more compeditive as Syd Uni miss even more players, but it wouldn't be my answer to player developement. Will they miss more players or will more players be attracted to them to fill the void of the players who've left.

It's better than what we've got now though, so I'm less opposed to it than some.

Not sure on this as above, will you follow the "A" games, or will you follow your club side - I'd stick with club. "A" grade curtain raisers they have never really attracted the crowds, it would be great if that window was left open for Grass Roots / 7aside promotion / Womens rugby - aspects that would create greater exposure and development.

 

[SackRobbie]

Can someone provide an update on how big Charlie Leaneo is going at Parra. For a guy that played full-time league for St George & Canterbury & the in the UK I would have thought he would do well at SS level.

How is he going week to week?

 

[Blackers13]

Can someone provide an update on how big Charlie Leaneo is going at Parra. For a guy that played full-time league for St George & Canterbury & the in the UK I would have thought he would do well at SS level.

How is he going week to week?

This is an observational opinion as I'm not a coach but he appears to be going very well considering he's only played half a dozen game of rugby in his life. He was out against Eastwood with a groin strain and Parra missed his physicality in defence and at the breakdown and his go forward in attack. He's jumping in the lineout like he's been doing it for years. He's very well liked in the club and I believe he's loving the new game and the culture at the Two Blues.

 

[2bluesfan]

Charlie is doing well. He missed the match against Eastwood with an injury but has been an impressive performer so far. Sticks to the tight stuff and forms a potent lock pair with Adam Coleman.

 

[CarlUnger]

Really enjoy the northern beaches derbies. Looks like it always gets a big turnout. I wish the older North Shore, Gordon vs Norths or Eastern Suburbs Randwick vs Easts or Battle of the West rivalries had the same attraction.

 

[sidelinesid]

G'day onliners
I watched the Wicks training romp with Penrith and felt very sorry for the Penrith boys. They had a tonne of character to front up and provide some physical touches.
As 'the coach' says -They need help and the ARU should be directing traffic their way if they want to have them remain in the SS system. If not , then have a relagation system that could be drafted up to keep the SS teams on their toes. This would allow top Subies teams to get into the system and underperforming current SS teams to drop out.
Personnaly I would like to see the ARU/NSW direct contracted players to clubs in need of help.
Non contracted players are free to play for whichever club they want, but I know that if Folau etc were at Penrith there would be a lot of up and comers who would join up, especially any country boys wanting a crack at the bigtime.

Up country,I heard, on the weekend, that the powers that be, have dismissed the 'country coaches and managers' for the Lions visit. There was definitely a feeling of being overrun by Head Office, who seemed only interested in the Tour. Remember = This is hear say only
If true, It is this sort of 'intervention' that undermines those that do the hard yards day in and day out. What little joy they could have had is taken away . It also follows that if Head Office is going to run the Country team, then we are going to see a bunch of S15 players get the nod and a bunch of very good country players miss out.
Not the way to look after the bush, I would have thought.

over to you

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

i am overseas, and so watching all this 3rd Tier discussion from a distance. To me, the Shute Shiled is a glittering asset - and should be utilised - not replaced - I am sure the same goes for the Premier Comp in Brissie...

Can someone kindly confirm for me - how many teams does a club have to field each week - would any clubs struggle to field 3 Grade and One Colts Side?

 

[Dave Beat]

i am overseas, and so watching all this 3rd Tier discussion from a distance. To me, the Shute Shiled is a glittering asset - and should be utilised - not replaced - I am sure the same goes for the Premier Comp in Brissie.

Can someone kindly confirm for me - how many teams does a club have to field each week - would any clubs struggle to field 3 Grade and One Colts Side?

Fantastic asset.
4 grade, and 3 colts.
Look what Parra has achieved over 3 years, congrats. I don't think they did it with much assistance from the ARU, or the NSWRU. They did the important things well, why can't Penrith do the same?

 

[lily]

After watching the weekends game against the Rats I'd play Reece Hodge at flyhalf for Manly. BJ is a very talented footballer but really is an outside back.

 

[Dave Beat]

After watching the weekends game against the Rats I'd play Reece Hodge at flyhalf for Manly. BJ is a very talented footballer but really is an outside back.

Lily, really liked what I saw as well, he's definitely got the skill set but physically I don't know.
BJ, and Marshall shared the role well but against the likes of Uni, Woodies, Nths, and Sths but they are outside backs.
Chesters has been strong in 2s, and Brisby was strong against Easts until injured. Interesting.

 

[lily]

Just needs some protection.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Fantastic asset.
4 grade, and 3 colts.
Look what Parra has achieved over 3 years, congrats. I don't think they did it with much assistance from the ARU, or the NSWRU. They did the important things well, why can't Penrith do the same?

Ok. so here is how it looks from my side of the mountain - (no doubt I am overlooking something)...

You have 3 Conferences...
1. Existing Brisbane Premier Clubs. 3 Grade / 2 Colts.
2. Existing Shute Shield Clubs. 3 Grade / 2 Colts.
3. Super XV Academy Teams, plus strongest ACT Melboune and WA Clubs. (Team numbers to be determined)...

1. Each conference plays a traditional Home and Away Comp - as is the case now...
2. At the end, the top 3 Clubs from each conference go into a Finals series - playing to a Grand Final for a New Championship Competition. No woild cards - first 3 past the post in each competition.
3. The next four Clubs from each Conference play a finals series for each of the Premier Rugby, Shute Shield and Southern Shield Titles respectively...

It would not cost alot - the make-up of the 3rd Conference can be latered/ refined / improved - but at the end of the day, you get the best two clubs playing in a Finals Series - and the Clubs have something to play for down to the 7th top team...

And there is your 3rd Tier. What have I missed?

Its 'similar' to the current 7s concept of Cup, Plate Bowl.... (not the same, but similar)...

and no-one gets cut, no-one gets merged...

 

[lily]

For fuck's sake this is not a 3rd tier thread.

 

[I like to watch]

After watching the weekends game against the Rats I'd play Reece Hodge at flyhalf for Manly. BJ is a very talented footballer but really is an outside back.

I'm not sure about Hodge yet, but they absolutely have to move BJ.
He is a runner not a creator.
I'd be swapping the 9's as well, Wood would give much cripsewr service IMO.

 

[Aussie D]

Ok. so here is how it looks from my side of the mountain - (no doubt I am overlooking something).

You have 3 Conferences.
1. Existing Brisbane Premier Clubs. 3 Grade / 2 Colts.
2. Existing Shute Shield Clubs. 3 Grade / 2 Colts.
3. Super XV Academy Teams, plus strongest ACT Melboune and WA Clubs. (Team numbers to be determined).

1. Each conference plays a traditional Home and Away Comp - as is the case now.
2. At the end, the top 3 Clubs from each conference go into a Finals series - playing to a Grand Final for a New Championship Competition. No woild cards - first 3 past the post in each competition.
3. The next four Clubs from each Conference play a finals series for each of the Premier Rugby, Shute Shield and Southern Shield Titles respectively.

It would not cost alot - the make-up of the 3rd Conference can be latered/ refined / improved - but at the end of the day, you get the best two clubs playing in a Finals Series - and the Clubs have something to play for down to the 7th top team.

And there is your 3rd Tier. What have I missed?

Its 'similar' to the current 7s concept of Cup, Plate Bowl.. (not the same, but similar).

and no-one gets cut, no-one gets merged.

As Lily so eloquently put it - this is not the thread for third tier discussion. If you have a look at the Rugby Discussion thread you are sure to find a plethora of threads on this topic where what you have proposed has been discussed ad nauseam.

 

[Dave Beat]

The Derby.

http://www.manlyrugby.com.au/news-m...rlins-exterminate-rats-before-big-derby-crowd

http://www.manlyrugby.com.au/news-m...nate-rats-but-fall-one-game-shy-of-clean-swee

And the rewards,

 

[Prodigy]

Fantastic asset.
4 grade, and 3 colts.
Look what Parra has achieved over 3 years, congrats. I don't think they did it with much assistance from the ARU, or the NSWRU. They did the important things well, why can't Penrith do the same?

The difference is, Dave, that Parramatta was able to build its resurrection through the dedication of life long followers and members of the club. These people were and are a part of the club's long and proud history.

Unfortunately Penrith does not have the same history, thus does not have the same people to build upon.

 

[Bowside]

The NSWRU has to step up and help Penrith get it's house in order. Clubs have to offer something to attract players, and I don't mean payments; they need good facilites, respected coaches, and most of all an enjoyable culture.

It's ridiculous that so many bloke are playing subbies yet the Shute Shield teams can't put out 4 grade teams.