Shute Shield 2013
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rugbyscribe
Herbert Moran (7)
The 60 is only for the 3 senior grades - up it to 70+ but still cap it per club.
Prodigy
Ron Walden (29)
Would you propose that subbies club then become feeders to some degree?
Also what happens to the 15-20 extra players at the beginning of the season?
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
For years colts use to be U21, there was no under 19's - I recall (not sure if it was standard), it was U17 to U21 colts. Your idea for the age groups may not be a bad idea though.
What shouldnt be lost:
One of the great things about Shute Shield (or club rugbyin general) could be deleted with the concept you propose - 3 grade teams.
I raised the questions what happens when you go passed 22?
Also what happens if you just keep playing for the love and social side of it - do you have to leave the club you've always played with.
Some of the 3rd, 4th, & 5th graders are the fantasic vonenteers that stick around on game day helping out.
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TOCC
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Did everyone read the financial breakdown of Shute shield clubs and their current financial state....
Doesn't pain a pretty picture..
Doesn't pain a pretty picture..
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
where was it posted
howyagoin
Ted Fahey (11)
I played colts as a 17 year old.. It was good fun. Start in 4th grade & work your way up the grades as u get older... Toughens you up. Take it back to all 3 colts teams being u/21 & leave 4 grade teams... The 4th graders are what a lot of clubs thrive off (BBQ's, raffles, helping out after the 1st grade game)
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TOCC
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It was in the SMH printed version...
Basically you have clubs like Syd Uni operating on budgets of $1.3million almost twice as much as the next club(Randwick/Easts) and then you have the likes of Penrith working with $250'000....
Gordon has liabilities of $550'000 and income of $330'000... :/
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Spot on, my point.
rugbyscribe
Herbert Moran (7)
I'd be happy to extend it to a 4th senior grade (21+ years) and agree with the sentiment expressed in subsequent posts about 4th graders being the lifeblood of so many clubs. What I want to see though is a more defined aged based post school rugby path for school leaving rugby players so that they can continue to play against their own age groups for a couple of years post school rugby days. At the moment there are 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade colts teams at most clubs - I'd prefer that they be U19, U20 and U21 teams. I'd also like to see rep teams picked from these age groups to play against other rep teams whether they be state, regional or city based.
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great post
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
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TOCC
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the article posted different figures to these indicated.... it said they were the budgeted figures for 2012 and supplied by the clubs..
reference Easts, the article quoted their income as $768'000, sponsorship/grants as $540'000 and that they would post a net profit for the year of $63'497..
Im not sure of the specifics, and given the disparity in the figures above, maybe the figures supplied for the report were purely in reference to the cost/income of only running the first grade team.
forwards4ever
Jimmy Flynn (14)
Budgets and what happens in a year can be quite different. Bad weather on a day of a local derby, ie Easts V Syd Uni or Randwick at home can really hit the bottom line. Believe this has happened 2 years running at Easts.
Can someone explain: Sydney Uni with $0 in player payments! I guess all those wallabies just want to be part of a great University!
Can someone explain: Sydney Uni with $0 in player payments! I guess all those wallabies just want to be part of a great University!
Interested party
Frank Nicholson (4)
More interesting is the declared $232,000 "other expenditure"...seems a little high for miscellaneous expenses or is this the petty cash?
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
contra
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I posted a link to Easts Accounts a few pages ago. From what TOCC says of the article there are some differences between what was reported by the media and what Easts are telling ASIC: I'm backing the statutory reports for accuracy.
For instance, judging by this Balance Sheet Easts are not as badly off as Gordon is reported to be BUT there's a sizeable deficiency of assets for an entity making a loss each year.
I should say that my interest in all this is to get it out there that so the ARU/NSWRU take some notice of the true position - as reported to ASIC. If Easts are second to Uni then the SS is in a world of trouble financially.
For instance, judging by this Balance Sheet Easts are not as badly off as Gordon is reported to be BUT there's a sizeable deficiency of assets for an entity making a loss each year.
I should say that my interest in all this is to get it out there that so the ARU/NSWRU take some notice of the true position - as reported to ASIC. If Easts are second to Uni then the SS is in a world of trouble financially.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
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Overall doesn't paint a pretty picture for Easts. Yes it's a sizeable deficiency of assets and trading insolvently. Obviously we don't know who the creditors are and there may be some deals done to remedy the situation. Unless something is done soon they will struggle this year and then we'll see the players, coaches and support staff slowly diminish. We've seen this at Gordon, but I hear that at tomorrow nights AGM they will present positive future with the club now trading solvent. Let's hope both clubs turn things around as integral to the SS competition.
The demise of some clubs is largely due to poor board room management. We've seen it at National and state level but its worse at the Club level as it effects many people. Some have very little management or financial skills and they are there for their own egos. However, the positive is that some of these clubs have identified the problem and now taken action and replaced their management.
The demise of some clubs is largely due to poor board room management. We've seen it at National and state level but its worse at the Club level as it effects many people. Some have very little management or financial skills and they are there for their own egos. However, the positive is that some of these clubs have identified the problem and now taken action and replaced their management.
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