Shute Shield 2011

[topo]

A lot of the supposed uni bias comes in the acadamies, and is explained by the fact that most top schoolboys end up at Uni. So guys will enter the NSW/ACT/QLD systems at the same time they enter the Uni system. They rise through the ranks and end up in the starting XV. Paddy Ryan is a prime example. Yes there are probably better props than him in the Shute Shield, but he came into the Waratahs straight out of school. He was picked more because of his Aus Schoolboy credentials than his Sydney uni credentials.

Can't let that go unchallenged. Paddy went to Ireland for a gap year straight out of school and came back to Uni colts overweight and unfit with not much recent footy behind him. He played a year of colts and then went into grade. He had to prove himself worthy of a spot in the elite development squad after not initially being chosen for it. He worked hard in the Uni system and made his way into 2nd grade and then 1st grade. He was only offered a Waratahs academy contract after playing that season including being part of the grand final winning 1st grade team. He was awarded a full contract for this year based on his performance in the Academy.

Uni can take a lot of credit for his development.

 

[barbarian]

Can't let that go unchallenged. Paddy went to Ireland for a gap year straight out of school and came back to Uni colts overweight and unfit with not much recent footy behind him. He played a year of colts and then went into grade. He had to prove himself worthy of a spot in the elite development squad after not initially being chosen for it. He worked hard in the Uni system and made his way into 2nd grade and then 1st grade. He was only offered a Waratahs academy contract after playing that season including being part of the grand final winning 1st grade team. He was awarded a full contract for this year based on his performance in the Academy.

Uni can take a lot of credit for his development.

My apologies, my memory has obviously failed me. But still a lot of these boys are brought into the State systems at the same time they are brought into the Uni system.

 

[DPK]

I am in total agreement with you, shinsplits, and there is a huge amount of effort being put into working out and then achieving a resolution of the problem

Isn't the main problem the contending concerns of the rugby and cricket clubs?

 

[Bruce Ross]

There are in fact four multi-team clubs that regularly use No. 1 Oval, DPK, rugby, cricket, Australian football and soccer (men's and women's).

 

[Keithy]

There are in fact four multi-team clubs that regularly use No. 1 Oval, DPK, rugby, cricket, Australian football and soccer (men's and women's).

Bruce any chance of using a drop-in pitch? or the Uni offering up another oval for rugby and soccer only so spectators are a bit closer to the action.

 

[Bruce Ross]

We might engage you as a consultant, Keithy. These are the main options under consideration.

 

[shinsplits]

Thanks for the replies Bruce.

I am not a Uni supporter but feel one of the premier clubs should provide spectators and players with better.

Good luck I wasn't aware of the other sports (except cricket of course) I hope you can find a solution.

 

[blues recovery]

Heres one for the Eastwood and western Sydney supporters in general. How about a new competition between Shute Shield and Super Rugby that is being promulgated by Sydney Uni and would be a national club comp featuring 4 teams from Sydney and guess who they would be ? Wait for it Sydney Uni, Manly, Souths and a combined Easts/ Randwick. Nothing further west than Camperdown. Well done Uni your at it again. And trust me this proposal is fact!

 

[DPK]

I don't care where the teams are from, just where they play.

 

[wamberal]

Pie in the sky.

Heres one for the Eastwood and western Sydney supporters in general. How about a new competition between Shute Shield and Super Rugby that is being promulgated by Sydney Uni and would be a national club comp featuring 4 teams from Sydney and guess who they would be ? Wait for it Sydney Uni, Manly, Souths and a combined Easts/ Randwick. Nothing further west than Camperdown. Well done Uni your at it again. And trust me this proposal is fact!

For a national club competition to have any kind of success at all, it would have to be televised on national television. I am no expert on televising sport, but as an occasional viewer I would have to point out that University No 1 Oval is not only a disgraceful facility for the players and visiting spectators, but it is televises dreadfully. Forshaw is not much better. Manly and Coogee are not too bad.

Don't worry too much. This sort of pie in the sky proposal has about as much chance of happening as Parramatta does of winning back to back premierships (and believe me, as a long term rugby fan, I would love to see the Two Blues humble Randwick again in a Grand Final!!!!)

 

[Keithy]

Heres one for the Eastwood and western Sydney supporters in general. How about a new competition between Shute Shield and Super Rugby that is being promulgated by Sydney Uni and would be a national club comp featuring 4 teams from Sydney and guess who they would be ? Wait for it Sydney Uni, Manly, Souths and a combined Easts/ Randwick. Nothing further west than Camperdown. Well done Uni your at it again. And trust me this proposal is fact!

I think this proposal is on the go. With the 4/5 teams above and Qld Uni(sponsored by Buildcorp), Canberra Vikings(with plenty of cash), Perth and Melbourne you already have 8/9 teams. 2 rounds plus a 3 week finals = 17/19 weeks of rugby a TV station may be interested. This would help the Force and Rebels build bigger squads and give them week in/out match time. The problem for those clubs in Sydney is that the other clubs not participating would be upset and may not include the lower grades and colts in a new Sydney comp. Wouldn't be hard to add 3 Kentwell teams and punt the national teams from any Sydney Comps as a sign of their frustration. I think the developers of this plan may be tossing all these ideas around and something sensible will eventuate.

 

[blues recovery]

And something sensible includes no team in Sydney west of Camperdown and no representation for the team that is currently undefeated in the Shute Shield. Also should note that their is no representation for the three Clubs in Sydney that have the biggest junior participation, and who dominate the state age championships, Gordon, Warringah and Parramatta. The ARC made much more sense than this nonsense. Looks like a play thing for clubs with over sized egos and wallets and no interest in developing the game at grass roots.

 

[Keithy]

And something sensible includes no team in Sydney west of Camperdown and no representation for the team that is currently undefeated in the Shute Shield. Also should note that their is no representation for the three Clubs in Sydney that have the biggest junior participation, and who dominate the state age championships, Gordon, Warringah and Parramatta. The ARC made much more sense than this nonsense. Looks like a play thing for clubs with over sized egos and wallets and no interest in developing the game at grass roots.

It just about brand names, business contacts and cash flows Blues recovery. Nothing to do with geography, junior bases or gross playing numbers. That's why Qld will be under represented, rugby in Qld is broke.

 

[blues recovery]

It just about brand names, business contacts and cash flows Blues recovery. Nothing to do with geography, junior bases or gross playing numbers. That's why Qld will be under represented, rugby in Qld is broke.

How can you argue with this. This is the type of thinking that is ruining the game especially in Sydney. Brand names and business contacts are more important than geographic spread, junior bases and playing numbers. Tell this to the AFL as they start to dominate the sporting landscape of Western Sydney. Well done Rugby hoist up the White flag and turn the light off as you leave.

 

[wamberal]

Overgrown schoolboys want to take over the game.

And something sensible includes no team in Sydney west of Camperdown and no representation for the team that is currently undefeated in the Shute Shield. Also should note that their is no representation for the three Clubs in Sydney that have the biggest junior participation, and who dominate the state age championships, Gordon, Warringah and Parramatta. The ARC made much more sense than this nonsense. Looks like a play thing for clubs with over sized egos and wallets and no interest in developing the game at grass roots.

Good summation, Blues Recovery. The Camperdown Corporation, in particular, are basically overgrown schoolboys, still living their GPS dreams, but with enough money and clout to kind of achieve them at the expense of the game as a whole. Sad.

 

[high tower]

For a national club competition to have any kind of success at all, it would have to be televised on national television. I am no expert on televising sport, but as an occasional viewer I would have to point out that University No 1 Oval is not only a disgraceful facility for the players and visiting spectators, but it is televises dreadfully. Forshaw is not much better. Manly and Coogee are not too bad.)

Manly Oval is rubbish to play on and watch rugby at, has no parking at all, is ordinary for TV as well. The ABC do the call from a card table like Frank Hyde did back in the 60's.
Rat Park leaves Coogee and Manly ovals for dead, unfortunately Pittwater council take all the gate in a woeful deal for the rats.
5000 at the game on the weekend and another 7000 could have squeezed in.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Heres one for the Eastwood and western Sydney supporters in general. How about a new competition between Shute Shield and Super Rugby that is being promulgated by Sydney Uni and would be a national club comp featuring 4 teams from Sydney and guess who they would be ? Wait for it Sydney Uni, Manly, Souths and a combined Easts/ Randwick. Nothing further west than Camperdown. Well done Uni your at it again. And trust me this proposal is fact!

No, no, no, no unless it includes plans to include a Western Sydney team in the form of the Rams (an amalgamation of the current four teams to compete but only at that level). It wouldn't be ideal but better than nothing.

As for the playing facilities. All of those suggested clubs have terrible playing surfaces. That would need to be overcome. Another question would be, how do they see this being a remotely marketable competition model?

 

[mackaboi]

Regardless of whats being said, I was at Eastwood -Sydney uni game and Eastwood easily outplayed Sydney Uni. I thougt the Eastwood backs partiurly outside backs were fantastic - wouldnt be suprised if guys like grant ad bennetts get full super 15 contracts soon.
I Thought the eastwood forwards we outstanding in defence at the end of the game where sydney uni looked bland in attack. It comes to show that uni without key players like barnes and mumm are average and eastwood are the best considering this factor

 

[lily]

As someone who goes to most if not all club games the village green atmosphere at Manly is actually quite good for viewing. The sun starts coming down in the second half making it quite warm until it disappears behind Balgowlah. Then you have the view of the Pine trees and the sea breeze. I would rather be there than landlocked Epping.

 

[PTB]

manly is a terrible viewing oval