Scotland v Wallabies at Murrayfield 12.40am Mon 25 Nov
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Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
I don't really see any inconsistency here?
All foul play with head contact starts at medium range, which is 6 weeks for this offense.
He hasn't done it before, said he was sorry and wore his best suit which almost always results in 50% reduction, and he will get an extra week off for tackle school.
2 week suspension was always the most likely result here
LeCheese
Greg Davis (50)
3 weeks in this case.
I wasn't referring to inconsistency in the suspension ruling itself, nor suggesting I disagree with it, more that there remains inconsistency (or at least a lack of clarity) in what constitutes foul play with head contact - specifically the other instances seen in the Wales game. In many respects, it still feels like a toss up for most cases that sit between either extreme.
notdeadyet
Frank Nicholson (4)
had to oxford dictionary that one derpus
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
No idea why, but a lot of reporting seems to miss the final paragraph of the press release which will mean another week taken off, so just the two week suspension.
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Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Nah head on head contact in a clean-out is acceptable. CTE is only caused by tackle based head bumpage.
Purce
Dave Cowper (27)
Skelton has to start. Whatever other jink around Joe feels like he has to do to accommodate that is fine by me. I do think the line out will work with him and Wilson on the field. If we were talking about Valetini missing out for Skelton starting then that would be a more difficult decision imo.
I'd start Wilson and Skelton. What they can bring in the first 50/60 should nullify the Scots starting pack. Beside the brute strength and maul destruction Skelton brings he draws in extra players in in attack, much like I think Valetini and Bell are now doing. It creates soo many opportunities and forces an adjustment from the defensive system. This is critical in test match rugby.
If they manage to win this weekend RA need to do whatever they can to get him released for the Ireland game.
None of this shitting on Willaims or Frost. Both been great, however Big Willy is a legitimate point of difference for the Wallabies in both attack and defense.
I am very worried about what the better backline attack of the Scots and Ireland will do to JAS. His decision making in defense has not been good. He needs to stay connected with his inside and outside man or else they will rip us apart.
I'd start Wilson and Skelton. What they can bring in the first 50/60 should nullify the Scots starting pack. Beside the brute strength and maul destruction Skelton brings he draws in extra players in in attack, much like I think Valetini and Bell are now doing. It creates soo many opportunities and forces an adjustment from the defensive system. This is critical in test match rugby.
If they manage to win this weekend RA need to do whatever they can to get him released for the Ireland game.
None of this shitting on Willaims or Frost. Both been great, however Big Willy is a legitimate point of difference for the Wallabies in both attack and defense.
I am very worried about what the better backline attack of the Scots and Ireland will do to JAS. His decision making in defense has not been good. He needs to stay connected with his inside and outside man or else they will rip us apart.
upthereds#!
Peter Johnson (47)
I wouldn't be bothering with Gleeson on the bench. If the lineout is a question mark, I'd be having Williams or Uru with LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) there (or a 6/2 split)
1. Bell 2. Faessler 3. Tupou
4. Frost 5. Skelton
6. Valetini 8. Wilson 7. Mcreight
9. Gordon 10. Lolesio 11. Jorgensen 12. Ikitau 13. JAS 14. Kellaway 15. Wright
16. BPA 17. Kailea 18. Ala'alatoa 19. LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) 20. Uru/Williams 21. Mcdermott 22. Donaldson 23. Potter
or
16. BPA 17. Kailea 18. Ala'alatoa 19. LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) 20. Williams 21. Gleeson 22. Mcdermott 23. Donaldson
1. Bell 2. Faessler 3. Tupou
4. Frost 5. Skelton
6. Valetini 8. Wilson 7. Mcreight
9. Gordon 10. Lolesio 11. Jorgensen 12. Ikitau 13. JAS 14. Kellaway 15. Wright
16. BPA 17. Kailea 18. Ala'alatoa 19. LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) 20. Uru/Williams 21. Mcdermott 22. Donaldson 23. Potter
or
16. BPA 17. Kailea 18. Ala'alatoa 19. LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) 20. Williams 21. Gleeson 22. Mcdermott 23. Donaldson
The bit I don't like is that there is an incredibly fine line between this being a red card and a yellow card. If the TMO had come back with the point that the contact wasn't direct (i.e. shoulder to shoulder was the first contact) and that the impact wasn't severe they could have said that it mitigated it down to a yellow card. At that point I don't think anyone argues that there was an incorrect outcome.
That fine line between yellow and red goes from it being no suspension to 2-3 games.
That said, I think the process has improved from where we were a few years ago. We now have a far better defined foul play framework and the yellow card with TMO review during the next 10 minutes is a big step forward.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
I think that's just inherent in having discreet penalties and punishments, for foul play that is on a continuum and probably normally distributed. There are always going to be a lot more events that are dark yellow and/or light red compared to the obvious cases.
All the game can do is develop process and stick to it. Consistency is impossible, because different people are judging unique and exceptional events.
I agree it's much better than it used to be, and the Kerevi result appears to me to be very consistent with how these are being judged at the moment.
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
I found myself saying the same before the tour, but honestly after all the hype and news the wallabies have generated after the two wins and how well they've been playing. I'd still find myself pretty dissapointed if we don't win the slam.
Maybe im getting ahead of myself here, but I feel like this team is truly capable of taking it all. For example that team under Rennie, 2 wins I'm more then happy and proclaiming australian rugby is now back.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Reign it in cowboy. We have played two teams who are currently pretty bad.
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stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
I think this is the issue, foul play infers that it was done with malice aforethought, which I strongly disagree with. This is a head clash where the tackler lines himself up to take a tackle below the sternum and some nincompoop decides he could have changed the height of the tackle by assuming he would dip into the tackle. We are tied into the madness of what constitutes Foul Play and what doesn't.
If you believe Kerevi went into this tackle with the idea of damaging him then I have to disagree and would vote for a yellow.
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Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
I think your premise is wrong.
Kerevi and others in this situation aren't being found to have done anything intentional. They are being found to be reckless
whitefalcon
Ron Walden (29)
How can he then be declared fit? That is a concern
Spamnoodle
Ted Fahey (11)
Got to wonder why he went on tour and who's decision was it to go against the medical advice.
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
I wouldn't say england are bad.