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Alfred Walker (16)
Actually I was thinking as far back as last year alternating or subbing Fardy at 6.
Then use him at 8 as well if needed instead of McCalman.
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Actually I was thinking as far back as last year alternating or subbing Fardy at 6.
Then use him at 8 as well if needed instead of McCalman.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
Yeah OK fair enough, never many debutantes in a World Cup year though. Not just here, all tier 1 nations. Plus Fardy was good last year and McCalman was adequate cover for 8.
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David Wilson (68)
At least this is a daytime game - 2.30pm Edinburgh time. A bit of rain there on Friday and forecast is for a fine day on Saturday. Temperature should be hovering around a balmy 10 degrees about kick off time.
(it's meant to be 5 degrees at 3pm on Friday)
(it's meant to be 5 degrees at 3pm on Friday)
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
Good article here on Will Skelton. Will be interesting to see how he goes under his new guise.
http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/11/10/20/04/skelton-fitness-recall
The comments underneath rival the sewer pit that is the Wallabies Facebook page. Not one 'contributor' extracting an ounce of goodwill from it, just everyone sticking the boot into him. Would be a tough gig being a pro sportsperson!
http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/11/10/20/04/skelton-fitness-recall
The comments underneath rival the sewer pit that is the Wallabies Facebook page. Not one 'contributor' extracting an ounce of goodwill from it, just everyone sticking the boot into him. Would be a tough gig being a pro sportsperson!
chasmac
Alex Ross (28)
No idea. But it's not an example of phipps being a team player and Genia not.
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As opposed to other countries where they own their jerseys.
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Everyone sticks the boot into Will Skelton because he is entirely unprofessional in his conduct off the field.
It's been 3 years straight of him being 10 kilo's overweight come pre-season. He's showed so much promise and has had so many opportunities afforded to him but has delivered so little.
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Vay Wilson (31)
At least this is a daytime game - 2.30pm Edinburgh time. A bit of rain there on Friday and forecast is for a fine day on Saturday. Temperature should be hovering around a balmy 10 degrees about kick off time.
At least it's during "daylight". Love the Saturday Sunday afternoon games. Should be more of them.
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KOB1987
John Eales (66)
And he deserves some credit for doing something about it. I don't argue that he should have done something about it earlier. He was born with giant genes, that's not his fault, but it's those same genes that make him an appealing prospect for many coaches. He's not a natural athlete though, he has to make himself one. He has probably taken his size for granted but he's only 24 and if he is finally doing something about his weight and turning fully professional, it's not too late and he deserves some credit for that and to be given a chance. He's still younger than our two new starting locks.
Players like Cooper and Beale are the opposite. They are naturally gifted athletes and don't have to try very hard. But they aren't very big.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Link dropped Skelton once on the basis of not being fit. At the time Cheika's response was petulant "well he was fit when he left us, what are they doing to them in the WBs?"
Can be funny in the swings and round abouts. If he's ready and he's fit I'm all for it. But I'd be irritated if something starting distracting the building combo of Coleman and Arnold. (And Timani.)
Can be funny in the swings and round abouts. If he's ready and he's fit I'm all for it. But I'd be irritated if something starting distracting the building combo of Coleman and Arnold. (And Timani.)
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Oh well if Skelton in on a diet now. That changes everything!
All I see is excuse making. Unless Skelton has some sort of genetic condition that supersedes the formula of calories in vs calories burned I don't see what his genetics have to do with anything.
What Skelton has suffered from is a "lack of giving enough of a fuck". That maybe working hard at training, or more likely may be sticking to the required nutrition.
This isn't some dark art. This shit is readily available before we consider the fact that as a professional athlete he has access to professionals to monitor and guide his intake. Plenty of young people have metobolisms that require close monitoring to stay lean. Some are able to control this and get to bodybuilding condition. All Skelton is required to do is reduce superfluous and useless weight.
Then there's the fact that Will does not have the issue that developing athletes have of needing to work to maintain his size. He doesn't have to worry about the prospect of undereating, something that players like Sean McMahon do have to.
The reason why he has had these issues are his own motivation and discipline.
Talking about genetics and shit ignores that those are exactly what sees him selected over others. Don't go hiding him behind them now.
All I see is excuse making. Unless Skelton has some sort of genetic condition that supersedes the formula of calories in vs calories burned I don't see what his genetics have to do with anything.
What Skelton has suffered from is a "lack of giving enough of a fuck". That maybe working hard at training, or more likely may be sticking to the required nutrition.
This isn't some dark art. This shit is readily available before we consider the fact that as a professional athlete he has access to professionals to monitor and guide his intake. Plenty of young people have metobolisms that require close monitoring to stay lean. Some are able to control this and get to bodybuilding condition. All Skelton is required to do is reduce superfluous and useless weight.
Then there's the fact that Will does not have the issue that developing athletes have of needing to work to maintain his size. He doesn't have to worry about the prospect of undereating, something that players like Sean McMahon do have to.
The reason why he has had these issues are his own motivation and discipline.
Talking about genetics and shit ignores that those are exactly what sees him selected over others. Don't go hiding him behind them now.
chasmac
Alex Ross (28)
Sounds like he has come a long way.
It could be a good idea to judge him after he has played this weekend.
If he's got no line out he may never make the 23 unless there is a 6:2 bench.
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Or maybe when he got his first major professional injury and he suffered from the black dog and all those "dark arts" were lost in malaise
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Jason Little (69)
I think most of the judgements being made are about the lack of form to warrant his selection. On the form he's shown over the past year, he is lucky to get a NRC gig, let alone either Super Rugby or Test match.
However, he now has another chance to prove he belongs. If he fails again, how many more chances does he deserve?
chasmac
Alex Ross (28)
If I was privvy to any of the training data kept on each of the players then I could possibly answer your question.
Question for you.
If he is given 20 minutes, what would you like him to achieve?
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