Brian Westlake
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Have you been to Newbies school of dyslexic finger typing?
Schoolboy Rugby Violence
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Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
I now retract ALL sledging Mr Newbie Sir. I beseech your forgiveness and put down the tyre iron Puhlease!!!!!I will never forget the day when I was a schoolboy in Ireland and while attending a game of schoolboy hurling I overheard one of our Christian Brother's give the following directions to lad who was taking the field as a replacement for a player who had been fouled:
"Toes wee blighters are playing tirty, so I want you to go out there and break some bleeedin' legs; and if you don't I goin' to break yours." [emphasis added for the Irish accent
The lad did what he was told! Back then you didn't question the Brothers, to do so meant the end of ya!
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Brian Westlake would never cower to a Christian Brother - youre an imposterI now retract ALL sledging Mr Newbie Sir. I beseech your forgiveness and put down the tyre iron Puhlease!!!!!
Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
No. I am Brian. BUT, the thought of Super Rugby Catherine with the leather strap can still get me a sub 10.00s 100 metres. At least you could argue back against the brothers...
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Bill McLean (32)
Yes sir, some of them nuns certainly forgot to go to their 'Compassion' and 'Forgiveness' classes when they were 'Novices' at the convent!
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Bill McLean (32)
Get stuffed! Coz once opun a tyme I cudn't even spell 'Soliciting' now I is won!
Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
Do you need me to move the 4wd Audi so you have priority parking this weekend too Newbs???Get stuffed! Coz once opun a tyme I cudn't even spell 'Soliciting' now I is won!
Uncle Lee and the clipboard is shining and, may I say slightly excited about this Saturday. I wonder which game he will grace?
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Bill McLean (32)
LMAO@Westlake
Leave it where it is mate, just make sure you're NRMA emergency service is up to date as only they can inflate four flat tyres that gone flat because of faulty air valves!
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Bill McLean (32)
#1?
Larry Dwyer (12)
I have spoken to someone who was there and if 1/2 what they said happened was true there will be repercussions in both the courts and the judiciary. My source verified the above happened and lots of other things that went down. Very poor form from everyone involved on both sides. A sad day for rugby with apparent fault from both sides.
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
true - my snouts are being uncharacteristically shy with details on this – that’s usually a precursor to something quite major. I understand that there were 2 yellows in the game and that one of the carded players was involved (not clear how) in the final (afternoon defining) altercation.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
How tough is Subbies Judiciary?….I have been told that in the not too old days when Subbies judiciary used to hear the Juniors upper age group citings, there was a case of a parent associated with an U16 junior village club team who was cited for referee abuse following a Finals match. Not surprising the abusive parent was from a team that lost the game.
Like most of these situations there is always more to the issue with complicating and mitigating factors and it is not relevant here to go into the details, however the individual, who had told the referee during post match "discussions" (nothing physical) that his name was Mickey Mouse, refused to turn up to Subbies judiciary to account for his behaviour. Their rationale apparently was “we lost the final so the season is over, and I still think the referee was a cheat, so I can’t be bothered” or words to that same general effect.
Due to the contempt “Mickey Mouse” showed for the Judiciary, the Club was fined and not allowed to register that team for the following years competition. The judiciary also put in place some measures to prevent the kids (and parents) simply registering with another club to get around that ban.
Selfish actions by one parent resulted in about 20 kids missing out on footy altogether.
I just hope for the sake of the majority of the Seahorses and Bulldogs players, who are probably awesome kids who love their rugby and play hard and fair, that the minority who were responsible for the shenanigans front up and accept responsibility for their actions, and any consequences that go with that.
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
ALL PIGS FUELLED AND READY FOR FLIGHT
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^^^^^ MOTH, unfortunately you are probably right.
Given that, I'd like to say "then throw the F**** book at them", but that isn't going to address the root cause of the problem, which by and large is one for society to solve.
Isolated action no matter how strong taken against one incident in Hobbitsville will be like farting against thunder.
Given that, I'd like to say "then throw the F**** book at them", but that isn't going to address the root cause of the problem, which by and large is one for society to solve.
Isolated action no matter how strong taken against one incident in Hobbitsville will be like farting against thunder.
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
beg to differ - the subbies approach was a ZERO tolerance approach with substantial sanctions - major fines not petty cash, serious good behaviour bonds and a couple of the worst grubs rubbed out entirely. Only took a few months for the fools who ruin it for others to realise that NO MEANS NO! & those that didn't get the message were told not to come back.
Frankly, until SJRU & others sprout a set and say enough is enough, then guess what, this sort of carry on will become more and more prevalent! You have to stand up to the bullies!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
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Darby Loudon (17)
Wasn't it - "Evil will triumph if good men look away."
I stand by my comment that any official that entered the field of play or fight area (outside of trainers trying to restrain their players) should be banned for life - the same with parents. Extensive penalties for the players and clubs involved.
Having read the articles posted, the question is: What is going on in Australia sport? Surely, a stand needs to be taken against this crap - whether it is league, union, AFL or marbles; is just a bloody game. I recommend a no tolerance policy of foul play on the field - one punch and you are off plus two send offs from one team during a game and the game is forfeited and the offending club penalised and fined.
As bad as some refs are, they are off limits to physical threats and over the top verbal abuse (that doesn't mean you can't say, "you are a shocker ref or didn't you see that knock on, ref" as part of your barracking for your team but once said it's over.
Officials in all sports need to make a stand.
Having played senior football in the 80s, I've seen and was part of brawls (and these were the days when it was in someways accepted - thank god - long gone) but this current stuff is over the top.
Agree with the stand by Subbies.
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Darby Loudon (17)
The real Brian Westlake might have done some other stuff with a Christian Brother
but cower it not the word.
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
Disco - if the reports are half true, this was a wild melee - one of the worst for a while; involving players and spectators. If you think this is normal, then you are likely part of the problem!
The incident being discussed here may be the very worst example this season, but be assured that the sidelines of junior rugby are well stocked with antisocial people. By and large it has been eradicated in senior rugby (grade & subbies) because their governing unions (and clubs) have taken a zero tolerance stance against it. It happens today in SJRU fixtures because "a little bit is OK"!
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
"Punch ups may happen".
Assuming the reports are correct, that the Kings boy was KICKED while on the ground. Is this also something "that happens". We got rid of the old "Size 10 tickle" in the 90's, and the game is better for it.
Didn't Joeys have to reschedule the 1sts game v View a couple of years back due to pissed up old boys. IIRC Police were called to sort out the immature spoilsports.
Was there any alcohol at Sylvania?
"Punch ups may happen", but how often is Police intervention needed as it was in both these recent cases (Joeys/View and Svlvania/Coogee)?
How often do these "Punch ups that happen" spill over into the crowd?
One of the joys of rugby, with my best pair of rose coloured glasses on, used to be that what happens on the field, stays on the field. After "Sir" blows full time, then hand shakes are offered and received, and everyone moved on. The Thugs game played by Gentlemen.
"Punch ups may happen". The decision to throw a punch is generally instinctive. So is the decision NOT to throw a punch. Coaches, and players need to make the second decision (NOT to retaliate or initiate) the instinctive decision their players make.
If MOTH is right about the extent of the melee, and from what I have heard that would be a fair description of the culminating events at Sylvania, then some parents and club officials could be in a power of manure.
To be fair to the Juniors, of late they have cleaned up their act and now there are compulsary Ground Marshalls with High Visibility clothing, Accredited Touch Judges, roped off ovals, and Accredited First Aid Staff needed at all ovals. Pretty sure that Alcohol is also banned from Juniors ovals following some unsavory incidents at Friday night matches.
These reasonable measures are a still a bit hit and miss at many of the schools games, particularly at levels lower then 1st xv.
Assuming the reports are correct, that the Kings boy was KICKED while on the ground. Is this also something "that happens". We got rid of the old "Size 10 tickle" in the 90's, and the game is better for it.
Didn't Joeys have to reschedule the 1sts game v View a couple of years back due to pissed up old boys. IIRC Police were called to sort out the immature spoilsports.
Was there any alcohol at Sylvania?
"Punch ups may happen", but how often is Police intervention needed as it was in both these recent cases (Joeys/View and Svlvania/Coogee)?
How often do these "Punch ups that happen" spill over into the crowd?
One of the joys of rugby, with my best pair of rose coloured glasses on, used to be that what happens on the field, stays on the field. After "Sir" blows full time, then hand shakes are offered and received, and everyone moved on. The Thugs game played by Gentlemen.
"Punch ups may happen". The decision to throw a punch is generally instinctive. So is the decision NOT to throw a punch. Coaches, and players need to make the second decision (NOT to retaliate or initiate) the instinctive decision their players make.
If MOTH is right about the extent of the melee, and from what I have heard that would be a fair description of the culminating events at Sylvania, then some parents and club officials could be in a power of manure.
To be fair to the Juniors, of late they have cleaned up their act and now there are compulsary Ground Marshalls with High Visibility clothing, Accredited Touch Judges, roped off ovals, and Accredited First Aid Staff needed at all ovals. Pretty sure that Alcohol is also banned from Juniors ovals following some unsavory incidents at Friday night matches.
These reasonable measures are a still a bit hit and miss at many of the schools games, particularly at levels lower then 1st xv.
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