Schoolboy Rugby Violence

[Man on the hill]

"Punch ups may happen".

snip To be fair to the Juniors, of late they have cleaned up their act and now there are compulsary Ground Marshalls with High Visibility clothing, Accredited Touch Judges, roped off ovals, and Accredited First Aid Staff needed at all ovals. Pretty sure that Alcohol is also banned from Juniors ovals following some unsavory incidents at Friday night matches.

These reasonable measures are a still a bit hit and miss at many of the schools games, particularly at levels lower then 1st xv.

HUGH J - having 2 ground marshalls only works if they know what they are required to do and are willing to do it – many fail this 2 part test!

As to visibility – ha – I laugh in your face. I overheard one the other week tell his team manager – I don’t want to wear it – it makes me a target, then the same guy ignored the large dad from his side who thought hanging crap on a 15 year old referee was part of his “afternoon of fun”!

Now you ask – where are the SJRU power brokers to enforce their competition rules? One would think that with 8 – count them - 8 dedicated club officials at each fixture, 2 coaches, 2 managers 2 ground marshalls & 2 TJs; that the adults might get it sorted – ha again!

BTW – whilst many might argue that it should be, booze is not outlawed at SJRU fixtures – you were obviously part of the “pre-unification” west where they actually did ban grog at junior fixtures – enjoy in moderation I say!

 

[en_force_er]

Selfish actions by one parent resulted in about 20 kids missing out on footy altogether.

Sounds like a big fuck you from the judiciary and that the punishment should have been for nobody but the parent/s.

Should have just given the parent (and perhaps some others involved) some compulsary reffing hours in order for the team to be aloud to compete the following season.

Solves both the ref shortage and lets him see it from the other side.

 

[kbw]

ALL PIGS FUELLED AND READY FOR FLIGHT

You aren't far wrong Mr Hill. I know parents from both sides and although most a good decent people, there are a few that aren't. Including a pork chop from that starting harrassing a parent well after the game when they were stopped at a red light, 1 KM from the ground.

I have heard a few stories of the day at Sylvania, including some fairly inappropriate behaviour from a touch judge, but taking alot with a grain of salt.

I will say that experience and from what I have heard, a lot of it came out of Sylvania just not being happy by being beaten by a team they "expected" to beat

 

[Hugh Jarse]

...snip..., Including a pork chop from that starting harrassing a parent well after the game when they were stopped at a red light, 1 KM from the ground.

What an absolute dropkick?...... What happens on the field stays on the field? Yeah Right.

1 km from the oval. This must be some sort of record distance for disgraceful behaviour to still be evident.

Even with a skinful on a packed train on the way back from our annual towelling by the bloody Darkness at Oly Park, I can manage to be nice to equally sauced up jubilant Darknessers.


And lily (vvvvvv) thinks some of the posters on the ISA thread may be a little too passionate about a schoolboy game of footy? ISA supporters have nothing on the pork chop at the lights.

.....snip.... You do realise this is a game that was played between 16 - 18 year old boys. Get a life.

For MOTH from above,
The measures implemented by SJRU will only work if they are actually followed. You have outlined situations where the measures are observed in the breach more than the application, and this may be common practice at many venues that I do not attend.

I can only speak for the juniors games I attend. I do know of a certain Ground Marshall with large buttocks that takes their job very seriously, or maybe I have just been lucky?

If others are not complying with these measures then Sydney Juniors need to do some navel gazing and get serious about ensuring clubs comply with their competition rules.

You are right that the 8 match officials should have been able to control things. This is obviously bigger than a couple of kids too high on adrenaline and testosterone.

I would presume (PIGS HAVE BEEN CLEARED FOR TAKE OFF) that SJRU parent bodies will also be asking for a please explain, not only from the kids involved, but also the ground and club officials who were present as well as the measures that SJRU have in place to assure clubs comply with the Ground safety rules and codes of conduct.

This is a serious wake up call.

 

[Wood Rat]

"Now you ask – where are the SJRU power brokers to enforce their competition rules? One would think that with 8 – count them - 8 dedicated club officials at each fixture, 2 coaches, 2 managers 2 ground marshalls & 2 TJs; that the adults might get it sorted – ha again!" MOTH

I have seen one of these short staffed clubs officials mannage to wear the coach, waterboy/mannager and ground marshal vests all on his own, apparently the 18 players were there without support, poor sausages, and only he could wear the hats. the 40 or so spectators on the side were just passing?

strangely he mannaged to wear the objectionable spectator vest as well as he was excited and confused regularly when the referee mannaged both teams

it must be that club/area with a shortage of helpers as I saw an ex wallaby doing the same at this ground

 

[Rugby Mum]

Disgusting behaviour and no place for it, but what does one do when the Intimidation and Bullying comes from the organising groups, parents and kids witness it first hand making it ok to filter through. It goes on everywhere and so it makes it ok? I like the comment Whatever "Evil will triumph if good men look away." and in the long run Rugby suffers.

 

[southsider]

I was there but not playing and the article doesn't seem to mention when a Sylvania player pushed one of the Coogee boys who had just scored a try running full pace into a shed which dislocated his elbow and how some Sylvania parents (including the coach) thought it would be appropriate to run on the field and try to 'break things up' ie. Getting a little to physical in the scuffle and continually abusing the Coogee boys during it.

not disputing your claim but just wondering how is that possible? the sheds are a good 10 metres or so away from the dead ball line and there may even be one of those small wooden log fence things there from memory?

 

[Sydneybra]

not disputing your claim but just wondering how is that possible? the sheds are a good 10 metres or so away from the dead ball line and there may even be one of those small wooden log fence things there from memory?

The shed would be close to 10 metres away but getting a nudge in the back whilst sprinting can stumble you that far, there is really nothing left of the fence, lots of boys were wondering about it at half time but it is far from new and its run down state offered no source of stoppage for the poor Coogee boys

 

[CTPE]

Anyone aware of the penalties the Scots boys received?

 

[Gristlechewer]

Anyone aware of the penalties the Scots boys received?

Not as yet. Anyone?

 

[CTPE]

Not as yet. Anyone?

It will be interesting to see whether either of them run out against Joeys on the weekend given Scots bye last weekend.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

A previous poster indicated that there is an AAGPS judiciary. The scots (and any other send offs) will theoretically appear in front of them to have their case heard.

 

[smokinjoe]

It will be interesting to see whether either of them run out against Joeys on the weekend given Scots bye last weekend.

If they run out then the Joeys forwards will be politely explain correct rugby etiquette.

 

[Gristlechewer]

It will be interesting to see whether either of them run out against Joeys on the weekend given Scots bye last weekend.

It will be interesting to say the least. What is going on with all the indiscretions? So far, Scots and Riverview having players sent off. What is happening out in the rugby world?

 

[Man on the hill]

It will be interesting to say the least. What is going on with all the indiscretions? So far, Scots and Riverview having players sent off. What is happening out in the rugby world?

You say that as if a red card is new for a GPS player! Even a few team coaches have been invited in "for a chat" (if my snout is on the mark), and not as observers or to offer moral support, but more to answer allegations of match official abuse.

 

[thecow]

what was the riverview player sent off for?

 

[Gristlechewer]

what was the riverview player sent off for?

You will have to ask him.

 

[CTPE]

It will be interesting to say the least. What is going on with all the indiscretions? So far, Scots and Riverview having players sent off. What is happening out in the rugby world?

There's probably a couple of other Scots boys from the game in question that are lucky that there's no video review process in GPS.

 

[Leicester Tiger]

Not just school boys. Following the debacle at Sylvania, the Southern Barbarians 17B's, i am lead to believe, have been disbanded due to discipline issues throughout the season culminating in a red card against Norwest for a brawl. I believe officials and parents were on the field to "break things up" and the game was abandoned early.

 

[Man on the hill]

Not just school boys. Following the debacle at Sylvania, the Southern Barbarians 17B's, i am lead to believe, have been disbanded due to discipline issues throughout the season culminating in a red card against Norwest for a brawl. I believe officials and parents were on the field to "break things up" and the game was abandoned early.

Don't be surprised if a few other teams are "disbanded" or the recipients of significant sanctions for the judiciary business they are generating at SJRU.

One of my snouts tells me that “around a game every weekend” ends in being abandoned; although what is unclear is just how many of those are because the referee says enough (foul play, abuse etc.) versus technical reasons (player numbers, mercy rule, a significant injury or other than “poor behaviour”).

At any rate – 1 per weekend still sounds like a lot – even considering the number of games being played.

A different snout also tells me that the melee that lead to 2 x red cards at Trinity Vs Cranbrook last Saturday looked like it may have included the schoolboys in the stands behind the field as the boundaries between the 2 groups became blurred. No doubt they were also trying to break it up!