School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Balmain Subbies]

Mate, I'm not sure what you're watching but the professional game in Oz is in a coma. Once again as I stated how is a sports scholarship different from an academic scholarship or music scholarship? The violinist will practice for many hours after school as well. Also why should a gifted kid not have the opportunity to have access to along facilities just cause his parents aren't wealthy. Plus the old adage that it is unfair on the kids that have been there since year 7 is bullcrap. Welcome to life, it's not always fair. In no way do I believe it should only be private schools but ATM they have the best facilities and coaches.

 

[Quick Hands]

Herb Brooks sure didn't coach the 92 USA Men's Basketball Dream Team

 

[Quick Hands]

Mate, I'm not sure what you're watching but the professional game in Oz is in a coma.

We're not talking about professional rugby, we're talking about school children.

 

[Balmain Subbies]

What I find funny about this is that some of the amateur hockey players on the 1980 US team from college on scholarships

 

[Balmain Subbies]

We're not talking about professional rugby, we're talking about school children.

So again how does that differ from other scholarshis the schools give?

 

[Quick Hands]

T. Anyone attending that school on an “all-rounders bursary/scholarship” is tainted with the same brush.

Even if they never play in a 1sts sporting team?

Presumably you would apply a similar description to anyone attending any school under similar circumstances.

 

[Quick Hands]

So again how does that differ from other scholarshis the schools give?

Because the rules of the association specifically prohobit them.

Because sport is supposed to complement the academic life of schools not take it over.

They're schools not sports academies.

If people want elite sports training for their offspring, there are plenty of places they can get it.

 

[Quick Hands]

What I find funny about this is that some of the amateur hockey players on the 1980 US team from college on scholarships

And you're no doubt aware also that NCAA rules mean that such scholarships have fairly strict GPA requirements?

Even today that is the case, as I know a number of people whose kids are/were at US universities. You have to produce school reports and grades back to Year 9 and the academic grades need to stay above a certain level.

Noting that schools are dealing with children, in an environment where sport is mandatory for all students whereas universities are dealing with adults and sport is a discretionary activity.

Nice red herring though. You'll fit in well on this thread.

 

[Balmain Subbies]

Because the rules of the association specifically prohobit them.

Because sport is supposed to complement the academic life of schools not take it over.

They're schools not sports academies.

If people want elite sports training for their offspring, there are plenty of places they can get it.

And how does that differ from a university, where people get degrees and can be on sporting scholarships. The rules of the GPS and CAS are outdated to say the least. Not to mention they have been broken by all of the schools over the years. Time to take a fresh approach. And for that matter a fresh approach on how kids are taught at school

 

[Quick Hands]

And how does that differ from a university, where people get degrees and can be on sporting scholarships. The rules of the GPS and CAS are outdated to say the least. Not to mention they have been broken by all of the schools over the years. Time to take a fresh approach. And for that matter a fresh approach on how kids are taught at school

see post 7188.

You realise that the NSW government runs sports high schools for people who want their kids to take that route?

 

[Balmain Subbies]

see post 7188.

You realise that the NSW government runs sports high schools for people who want their kids to take that route?

I am very much aware of sports high schools that don't have the same facilities as GPS schools and don't focus on Union as much as GPS schools do, champ.

 

[Quick Hands]

I am very much aware of sports high schools that don't have the same facilities as GPS schools and don't focus on Union as much as GPS schools do, champ.

Don't call me champ, and I'm not your mate either.

 

[Balmain Subbies]

And you're no doubt aware also that NCAA rules mean that such scholarships have fairly strict GPA requirements?

Even today that is the case, as I know a number of people whose kids are/were at US universities. You have to produce school reports and grades back to Year 9 and the academic grades need to stay above a certain level.

Noting that schools are dealing with children, in an environment where sport is mandatory for all students whereas universities are dealing with adults and sport is a discretionary activity.

Nice red herring though. You'll fit in well on this thread.

Yeah so college kids are as young as 17 when they start at uni on average, the same age as kids in yr 12 playing rugby. Nice try, not adults. If you refer to one of my earlier posts I said it could easily be regulated, ie grades, attendance etc.

 

[Balmain Subbies]

Don't call me champ, and I'm not your mate either.

It's called being condescending, maybe you'd understand I was being sarcastic if you weren't still living in the 1950s buddy.

 

[I like to watch]

I am very much aware of sports high schools that don't have the same facilities as GPS schools and don't focus on Union as much as GPS schools do, champ.

No need for the attitude champ.
If we were to judge what you knew from your posting history.
There’s only one person to blame,if it’s assumed that you know very little about the subject matter.

 

[I like to watch]

New gets a mention because they were outrageously breaching the rules.
Justifying what they did,by recalling incidents from 40 years ago is the poorest of arguments.
Your overall comments about turning kids into pro athletes at 16 are obscene.
The glory of the School,trumping the needs of children,hiding behind some whacky theory of player development is morally bankrupt.

 

[sidelineview]

The fact is some scholarships are genuine and worthy. They do assist rugby playing students whose parents couldn't otherwise afford the school fees. They expose the students to schoolboy rugby pathways; create opportunities and can lead to post school rugby careers instead of league.

Back to the old argument of 'dont throw a blanket over all of them', and dont use every negative bit of history where scholarships have been abused to put a red line through all of them for the future.

Claiming it 'cant' be regulated is ...... is .... what? Adopting a defeatist attitude?. Yes, that's it.

 

[Number 7]

It's probably a good time to remind people of the AAGPS Code of practice as to why we are even having this debate at all (http://aagps.nsw.edu.au/about/code-of-practice/). For all of those who say that "Schoolboy sport is professional" and arguing "scholarships improve the quality of the competition", I draw your attention to two particular extracts of the code:

"In other words, the spirit of the amateur – in its best sense – should remain the ideal which guides these aspects of school sports"
and
".... the GPS Headmasters affirm the following code of practice:

1. No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm’s length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school."

Its pretty black and white (pun intended) as to what the status of the GPS competition is supposed to be - but some headmasters choose to take the p**s out of their own code. I'd be embarrassed if I was attending one of those schools - absolutely no glory in cheating.

 

[Joker]

Using personal abuse simply reveals you as a very unhappy individual with issues that may require professional help in the area of mental health.These emotional outbursts are childish in the extreme and displays a lack of professional and personal dignity. Also, an absence of emotionally intelligent with elementary good manners.

In the bad old days there once was a hateful space called SPORTAL that delighted in online thuggery and hate. Debate was impossible, ideas were not given the proper air they deserved and it all came crashing down in a mess of anger, spite and vitriol.

Green and Gold has been a small corner of the net for for serious (and fun) debate on the issues regarding schoolboy rugby without all the nasty name calling and slagging off. While there is some good nature fun at times had the expense of some (including me at times), the general rule is always...play the ball and not the man. As soon as you forget this, then you get sin binned.

 

[Balmain Subbies]

It's probably a good time to remind people of the AAGPS Code of practice as to why we are even having this debate at all (http://aagps.nsw.edu.au/about/code-of-practice/). For all of those who say that "Schoolboy sport is professional" and arguing "scholarships improve the quality of the competition", I draw your attention to two particular extracts of the code:

"In other words, the spirit of the amateur – in its best sense – should remain the ideal which guides these aspects of school sports"
and
".. the GPS Headmasters affirm the following code of practice:

1. No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm’s length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school."

Its pretty black and white (pun intended) as to what the status of the GPS competition is supposed to be - but some headmasters choose to take the p**s out of their own code. I'd be embarrassed if I was attending one of those schools - absolutely no glory in cheating.

Well then, every GPS school has broken the rules somewhere a long the way. Everyone should be ashamed