School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[F McGrath]

There are approximately 12 boys named in the Randwick colts grand finals teams that played for Randwick village clubs as juniors.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ Only 12 locals out of 45 run on positions (plus up to 10 bench players from Colts 3rds). Wow. Are you sure?

Must admit I thought there would be more "local" lads.

With numbers like that, it is little wonder Rugby in much of Sydney is struggling.

 

[Quick Hands]

Some interesting information on kids specialising on one sport at an early age.

Some quotations:
"It flies in the face of some other sports that are now advising kids to specialise very early. But there's a massive body of research out there that says multiple sports are hugely beneficial."

"Once I saw that pattern coming up again and again, I started talking to researchers who study skill acquisitions, from soccer to chess, and they talked to me about evidence suggesting that, early on, athletes should sample a variety of sports, gain a range of physical skills during that period of brain flexibility – age 12 is also the general cutoff for changing your native language – and only focus in and specialise later," Espstein said.

"Athletes who specialise early have pretty high burnout rates," he added

Malcon said a key factor of playing multiple sports was "full-body development".
"The tendency if you specialise in one sport is that you almost over-do certain parts of your body.
"I recently heard the New Zealand Olympic doctor say now for the first time ever he's seeing kids in their late teens with hips of 60 year olds."
"It's the over-doing of drills that emphasise a small part of your body - and in particular, at a time when they're undergoing a growth spurt. If you're playing different sports, you're exercising all of your body."

"I think some of the other sports are losing some very talented kids because they're asking too much of them. They don't want to be training six days a week for nine months of the year - they actually want to be doing other things, and that's the dangers that do turn them off."
"They want to grab hold of the kids and get the best possible kids - but they may not be doing what's best for the kids and that's the big worry.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/70256809/multiple-sports-beneficial-to-developing-future-stars

 

[GTPIH]

I'm a big fan of kids playing lots of other sports. Many years ago my young boy was in the NSW Cricket Emerging Blues programme run over winter and they encouraged boys to keep playing rugby etc and not focus entirely on cricket.

I'm not sure about other sports, but I know the Swans Academy frowns upon participation in other sports.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Just thought I'd draw early attention to the Scots v Shore scoreline in the seconds so you could all get your explanations ready.

 

[Quick Hands]

I don't think the good doctor watches the seconds though.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

No doubt he wants to disband them as a drag on the program

 

[Gary Owen III]

Did the Dr dodge a bullet at Bellevue Hill today? 47-0 at halftime and 100 point margin looking likely... then the stars are all benched at halftime? i am sure the press are not interested in a scoreline of 62-12.

 

[Not in straight]

Just thought I'd draw early attention to the Scots v Shore scoreline in the seconds so you could all get your explanations ready.

Mr Hart would have us believe that Shore Seconds are a close match for the 1sts. This of course helps explain the scoreline in the firsts.

 

[Not in straight]

Did the Dr dodge a bullet at Bellevue Hill today? 47-0 at halftime and 100 point margin looking likely. then the stars are all benched at halftime? i am sure the press are not interested in a scoreline of 62-12.

2 tries a piece in the second half. Shore actually had the better of the second half, had 2 disallowed as well.

GOIII, I am sure you are right. I think the main motivation was to contain the scoreline.

I really don't know how any of this behavior is good for GPS, or Rugby or any of the boys involved.

 

[BeastieBoy]

Randwick would retain a lot more kids if their games did not clash with junior league. Stay with Friday night or Saturday afternoon from U13 onwards. The parents were all told that Friday night would not work so they made other commitments I hear.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Mr Hart would have us believe that Shore Seconds are a close match for the 1sts. This of course helps explain the scoreline in the firsts.

I toyed with dragging him over here where he used to be seen befor Dr Lambert admitted to regularities. Presumably the pain of denying only to be corrected by lambert is too much for him.
The idea tha you can have scorelines like those between 1s and 2s and that be the product or random variation in the school cohort is ridiculous and the peddling of tha drivel is doubly so.
One one view the Shore 2nds beat the scots 1sts.

 

[Not in straight]

I toyed with dragging him over here where he used to be seen befor Dr Lambert admitted to regularities. Presumably the pain of denying only to be corrected by lambert is too much for him.
The idea tha you can have scorelines like those between 1s and 2s and that be the product or random variation in the school cohort is ridiculous and the peddling of tha drivel is doubly so.
One one view the Shore 2nds beat the scots 1sts.

I was sideline yesterday. The sideline official turned to someone he knew in the crowd and said words to the effect "This is not much of a game, its like watching a First grade side play a school side"

Not sure the officials should be commenting, but I found it rather telling from an impartial source.

Anyway, apparently its all because of:

• Shores bad coaching,
• lack of pre season preparation,
• the schools failure to develop a rugby culture
• Boys prohibited from playing club
• Headmaster being someone other than Jika
• Shores enrollment policy
• Injuries, which apparently Shore caused themselves by improper preparation

Its got nothing to do with enrollment policies and Bursaries offered by other schools.

Anyway, as I said on the other thread, I have very mixed feelings about Joeys defeating New. It just gives this mob a share of the lead again.

 

[Gary Owen III]

I was sideline yesterday. The sideline official turned to someone he knew in the crowd and said words to the effect "This is not much of a game, its like watching a First grade side play a school side"

Not sure the officials should be commenting, but I found it rather telling from an impartial source.

I think you will find this official is the same referee quoted in post #2043 from the 2014 AAGPS thread.

No further comment needed.

 

[Not in straight]

I think you will find this official is the same referee quoted in post #2043 from the 2014 AAGPS thread.

No further comment needed.

Could be same, not sure. But I didn't take it as a pro Scots comment.

 

[Quick Hands]

I was sideline yesterday. The sideline official turned to someone he knew in the crowd and said words to the effect "This is not much of a game, its like watching a First grade side play a school side"

Not sure the officials should be commenting, but I found it rather telling from an impartial source.

Anyway, apparently its all because of:

• Shores bad coaching,
• lack of pre season preparation,
• the schools failure to develop a rugby culture
• Boys prohibited from playing club
• Headmaster being someone other than Jika
• Shores enrollment policy
• Injuries, which apparently Shore caused themselves by improper preparation

Its got nothing to do with enrollment policies and Bursaries offered by other schools.


Anyway, as I said on the other thread, I have very mixed feelings about Joeys defeating New. It just gives this mob a share of the lead again.

Great post.

And on a similar line, a mate of mine went to Joeys and last year they had their 35 year reunion at the Scots v Joeys match. He rang me from the ground when the teams ran on with words to the effect "When Scots ran out it looked like a team of men playing a team of boys". He sees one GPS rugby game every 5 years at his reunion and he couldn't believe what he saw. (And Joeys teams aren't noted for their lack of size either)

And then you look at the Scots 2nd XV and..............................

I'll make a brave prediction, without knowing any scores, that Scots won all the A games yesterday and the B-F games will be evenly divided, if not more of them to Shore.

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

The insinuation seems to be scots just has good A teams as that is where the imports are ... But that is bs.

Recent strength attracts rugby nuts ... Many of the stars they are there off there own bat

Many are from the bush ..and aren't silver spooners , nor are that many on scholarships

It's a big myth

There are a number of reasons why scots strength doesn't typically extend beyond the A teams ... But it has little to do with the perception it's all scholarships

Ironically it is former shore and Kings boys that are part of a good tie up between scots and easts

Shore is the school that should be asking itself why they are struggling ....if they have pulver,

The aru head honcho ...why can't they get their act together ... Their excuse "We don't have irregularities" Is a cop out.

Their seems no venom in their rugby.

Yes "manners maketh the man" but shore is too polite ... Got to be a bit of fire and brinestone

Pulver should get down at the grass roots, and get off his posh golf course, forget the hob knobbing

Anyway as far as the gps Comp is concerned , I think scots strength is needed ... Is it healthy how dominant joeys is?
But as their is no hint of scholarships it is ok.

Joeys obsession with winning all and sundry is obsessive

If all the schools had a captive audience like joeys does, and had everyone's daily programme designed to see everyone watching/playing/admiring rugby ... Of course it would be a bit more balanced across the age groups.

Anyway no doubt the scots haters will carry on ... But imagine if there weren't a few teams putting up a contest.

And don't get me wrong I love joeys rugby ... But ultimately it is healthy to have a contest

 

[Inside Shoulder]

SDW,

This is not up to your usual standard.
I think you'll find a fair few boys at SJC play soccer.
SJC are by no means in the clear.

There are a number of reasons why scots strength doesn't typically extend beyond the A teams . But it has little to do with the perception it's all scholarships

And Lance Armstrong was probably a pretty good bike rider but once he was uncovered as a cheat everything he did and does is under suspicion.

 

[formerflanker]

Did the Dr dodge a bullet at Bellevue Hill today? 47-0 at halftime and 100 point margin looking likely. then the stars are all benched at halftime? i am sure the press are not interested in a scoreline of 62-12.

A pedantic note - three of the stars were replaced after the first Scots try of the second half, only minutes after the restart. Yep, looking at another Newington-like massacre.
Your point about dodging a bullet is spot on. The bullet may be destined for GPS rugby, not just the good Doctor.

If Shore were to say "let's not play teams of large boys who are scholarship holders", then there would be a bye in 1sts whenever Shore was drawn to play Scots and Newington.
Alternatively, Shore could take the unimaginable step of withdrawing from GPS rugby and play in another competition.
A third option would be for Shore 1sts to play in the 3rd grade competition.

All the above scenarios are highly unlikely to occur, but must be in the back of some people's minds as they watch a decent schoolboy team get walloped every week. It was only a short period of time ago (in GPS history) that seven games were played each season between the 8 Sydney AAGPS teams; there were 4 games each weekend. Now there are only 3 games each weekend and we are down to 6 teams in the 1sts competition.

How long before there are only 5 1sts teams in GPS rugby? The "nuclear option" indeed.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

A fair amount of expected tut tutting about the nasty schools that may have different financial arrangements with some lads who happen to be talented athletes, but I don't see the commensurate level of whinging about the AAGPS vs CAS score, or that 6 schools and a couple of guests from other schools manage to get 4 Association representative sides in the NSW All Schools trials.

Are Scholarships/Bursaries/Poaching/Cheating/Fee Relief/Irregularities considered OK if "we" (or our Oscar's rep team) win.

What hope does the talented kid from Morningside High have?