RWC QF 3 IRE v ARG (Millenium Stadium) 18th Oct 2300 AEDT

The_Brown_Hornet · Oct 19, 2015

KevinO, I agree that Ireland lost the game in the collisions last night. Argentina were making metres at will, especially early on.

KevinO · Oct 19, 2015

I like to watch said:
Huh?
There are no breakdowns in shit weather?
Ireland were beaten in every facet of the game.
playing it in raging snowstorm would have hampered the Pumas from moving the ball around,and kept the score closer.
But that would just disguise Irelands shortcomings in International Rugby.
You guys think you excel in harsh conditions,but the fact is,you only play other gumby 6 Nations in those conditions.
flat track bullies.

I admit we where beaten every where last night, but it's no fluke that we beat Australia and SA last November. We lost two games in two years before the WC warm up games and none of them was against SH teams. Ok we did not play the All Blacks but we still beat the Boks and Wallabies.

The Arrogance of Australian fans now that they have won a few games is amazing. You would think you have won the Bledisloe Cup, Lions tour and a Grand Slam tour the way your carrying on.

troxler · Oct 19, 2015

KevinO said:
I admit we where beaten every where last night, but it's no fluke that we beat Australia and SA last November. We lost two games in two years before the WC warm up games and none of them was against SH teams. Ok we did not play the All Blacks but we still beat the Boks and Wallabies.

The Arrogance of Australian fans now that they have won a few games is amazing. You would think you have won the Bledisloe Cup, Lions tour and a Grand Slam tour the way your carrying on.

Cling to that!

Hugh Jarse · Oct 19, 2015

Not that it matters too much, but this result would have turbocharged Los Pumas with respect to their World Ranking.

With the double points available for ranking at RWC, I reckon that Los Pumas may have jumped from 6th to 4rd with their nose just in front of Wales and just behind SAF.

This would have to be the highest that Los Pumas have been on the ranking table since The Hand Of God intervened to help the Argies win a Soccer World Cup Final.

KevinO · Oct 19, 2015

troxler said:
Cling to that!

Not clinging to anything, Ireland has no one to blame but themselves. 17 points down after 12 minutes. Got back into the game and than lacked the killer instinct to finish the game off. Not use to chasing a game from behind as we have always stayed close over the last 2 years, when it was back to 3 points we had chances and if we had of scored than I think it would have been a different result.

Instead a kick went out on the full, Puma's scored off the set piece and Ireland's heads dropped.

That 3rd try was the game changer

I like to watch · Oct 19, 2015

KevinO said:
I admit we where beaten every where last night, but it's no fluke that we beat Australia and SA last November. We lost two games in two years before the WC warm up games and none of them was against SH teams. Ok we did not play the All Blacks but we still beat the Boks and Wallabies.

The Arrogance of Australian fans now that they have won a few games is amazing. You would think you have won the Bledisloe Cup, Lions tour and a Grand Slam tour the way your carrying on.

Is it more arrogant to celebrate some successes at RWC,or to refuse to acknowledge shortcomings when you have your pants pulled down by an unrated nation?

Most people regarded last years tours by both Oz & SA as building blocks for the current tournament.

In Australia's case, we lost our coach a week before the tour started.
I was surprised we won any games in that tour.

But hey, you can fill in the next four years waiting for the next RWC,by playing dumb,no skill Rugby against other dumb,skill less Nations thinking it's the pinnacle,and then complain that the conditions in Japan weren't artic enough when you bow out in the pools,or quarters if you're lucky.

The_Brown_Hornet · Oct 19, 2015

KevinO said:
I admit we where beaten every where last night, but it's no fluke that we beat Australia and SA last November. We lost two games in two years before the WC warm up games and none of them was against SH teams. Ok we did not play the All Blacks but we still beat the Boks and Wallabies.

The Arrogance of Australian fans now that they have won a few games is amazing. You would think you have won the Bledisloe Cup, Lions tour and a Grand Slam tour the way your carrying on.

Not all of us mate, though some people have been carrying on poorly this morning. It shits me.

Cardiffblue · Oct 19, 2015

I find it strange that Ireland effectively lost the game in first quarter. Never seen them so slow to start. There was certainly issue with Ireland defensively. Argentina made ground with most carries. But tbh it's in attack that Wales and Ireland have been found wanting. Argies have simply discovered the lost art of getting the ball wide. Something we've forgotten

Cardiffblue · Oct 19, 2015

Hugh Jarse said:
Not that it matters too much, but this result would have turbocharged Los Pumas with respect to their World Ranking.

With the double points available for ranking at RWC, I reckon that Los Pumas may have jumped from 6th to 4rd with their nose just in front of Wales and just behind SAF.

This would have to be the highest that Los Pumas have been on the ranking table since The Hand Of God intervened to help the Argies win a Soccer World Cup Final.

Not the final huw. But I get your point

Cardiffblue · Oct 19, 2015

I like to watch said:
Is it more arrogant to celebrate some successes at RWC,or to refuse to acknowledge shortcomings when you have your pants pulled down by an unrated nation?

Most people regarded last years tours by both Oz & SA as building blocks for the current tournament.

In Australia's case, we lost our coach a week before the tour started.
I was surprised we won any games in that tour.

But hey, you can fill in the next four years waiting for the next RWC,by playing dumb,no skill Rugby against other dumb,skill less Nations thinking it's the pinnacle,and then complain that the conditions in Japan weren't artic enough when you bow out in the pools,or quarters if you're lucky.

Gotta great idea then that I'll suggest to wru. Since it's so much beneath you and you gave us such a thrashing Let's not play each other for four years and we ll see how long you survive by playing with yourselves

KevinO · Oct 19, 2015

Cardiffblue said:
Gotta great idea then that I'll suggest to wru. Since it's so much beneath you and you gave us such a thrashing Let's not play each other for four years and we ll see how long you survive by playing with yourselves

With draw the Lions as it cost us plenty in injuries and tour costs and see how broke the ARU are afterwards.

Instead having a European Championship of 20 teams, at least one of us would win another trophy every 4 years and it would help develop some of the Teir 2 Nations like Romania, Russia, Georgia etc

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mxyzptlk · Oct 19, 2015

Cardiffblue said:
[.....]But tbh it's in attack that Wales and Ireland have been found wanting. Argies have simply discovered the lost art of getting the ball wide. Something we've forgotten

I need to watch the Ireland-Argentina game again, but the one thing Ireland have had trouble with is pulling their finger out and just playing. To listen to BOD, they're just too risk-averse at the moment. Not always, but they're too risk-averse when they need to take a chance or four.

There was a moment in the South Africa-Wales game that, for me, seemed to sum up much of the problem with Wales attack: Around the 59th minute, SA send a clearing kick deep toward the touchline, and it's fielded by George North. He gets head of steam up, with what seems like only JP Pietersen in front of him covering all the space from the center of the pitch to the touchline. It's hard to tell because the camera cuts, but Pietersen is down the channel on the wing, and there's a fullback somewhere deep behind him, and one other defender deep -- both of them are deep enough that they can't be seen. Eight other Boks are in the center of the pitch, and four more are on the far wing.

Instead of taking on Pietersen and whoever's deep behind him -- so deep they can't be see -- North cuts in and takes a looooong angle directly into that mass of eight South Africans, along with 10 other Welsh players in the middle of the field. And he gets tackled around the 50 meter line, and Wales lose momentum, fight through about five more phases to make another 10 meters or so, then get charged down and lose possession. There was a vista of space down the wing, and North seemed to go way out of his way to run into the middle of a pack of South African defenders.

At that point I just shrugged.

Quick Hands · Oct 19, 2015

mxyzptlk said:
Far more rain falls on the southwestern part of the southern island than elsewhere. (You actually got me to check.)

Don't know what you checked, but you are completely wrong on all counts.

More rain falls in the north island of NZ (where most of the people live) than in either European rugby centres or the NZ south island.

EDIT: almost no-one lives in the south western part of the south island it's mainly steep mountains and fijords.

I like to watch · Oct 19, 2015

KevinO said:
With draw the Lions as it cost us plenty in injuries and tour costs and see how broke the ARU are afterwards.

Instead having a European Championship of 20 teams, at least one of us would win another trophy every 4 years and it would help develop some of the Teir 2 Nations like Romania, Russia, Georgia etc

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I suggest that your playing style is limiting,and that you over rate the quality of the 6 Nations.
And your idea of how to improve yourselves is to weaken the balance sheets of Southern Hemisphere nations,and to play more games against lower quality nations?

Quick Hands · Oct 19, 2015

I like to watch said:
I suggest that your playing style is limiting,and that you over rate the quality of the 6 Nations.
And your idea of how to improve yourselves is to weaken the balance sheets of Southern Hemisphere nations,and to play more games against lower quality nations?

Until they get over this idea that they can blame the weather for their style of play, the balance between the hemispheres will remain.

Braveheart81 · Oct 19, 2015

When you watch Northern Hemisphere rugby it does feel like the grounds are muddier and more waterlogged far more often than Southern Hemisphere grounds.

I don't know whether that is perception or reality.

Quick Hands · Oct 19, 2015

Southland Boys High v McGlashan College

Auckland Marist juniors

Wellington v Taranaki development teams

Braveheart81 · Oct 19, 2015

That's park footy though. I'm talking about English Premiership, Top 14, Pro 12 etc.

Maybe the standard of our professional grounds are better (outside the international ones). I'm not really sure.

mxyzptlk · Oct 19, 2015

Quick Hands said:
Don't know what you checked, but you are completely wrong on all counts.

More rain falls in the north island of NZ (where most of the people live) than in either European rugby centres or the NZ south island.

(etc. and wall of links)

Yeah, okay.

That's 4000-10,000 mm per year between 1971-2000 in the southwest part of the southern island (all the purple stuff). Unless you're saying the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research of New Zealand is wrong. Are you?

But let's get the context right: I said more rain falls on the southwestern part of the island than elsewhere in New Zealand -- New Zealand and which island was rainier was the context of that discussion. So I'm not actually wrong on all counts, and there's probably no need to put words in my mouth or overstate your case. Besides, if you want to convince everyone that New Zealand teams regularly play in worse conditions than European clubs in winter, you'll have to do better. There's rain, but there's also temp to consider, because that affects what the rain is going to be like. England is about as cool as the southern island; the north island is considerably more temperate. I said if you want something representative, all Super Rugby should be played in Invercargill between June and August, and those temps are pretty similar to what you'd get in England over the winter (but Invercargill does get colder).

But then you'd have to not only convince everyone that the north island is as dismal a place as Newcastle or Northampton or Neath in winter; you'll also have to convince everyone that Australia and South Africa suffer under the same terrible conditions through their winters. Poor souls, how do they manage? (Corollary: Please explain why the NH club teams tend to pass and run more in better weather, but close up shop when it starts pissing rain and sleet for weeks on end.)

And elsewhere in the discussion it was acknowledged that France has a whole different set of issues relating to the Top 14. We're talking weather, not overbearing basket cases.

So I guess you're trying to say that Invercargill, England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are all some kind of paradises in winter, and people would be fools to want to play rugby in Auckland or Sydney or Cape Town in June over Galway, Gloucester or Llanelli in January. Is that about right? If that's the case, then we should have the SH teams tour the north in February, and Wales isn't allowed to close their roof.

We good here?

Bardon · Oct 19, 2015

Cardiffblue said:
I find it strange that Ireland effectively lost the game in first quarter. Never seen them so slow to start. There was certainly issue with Ireland defensively. Argentina made ground with most carries. But tbh it's in attack that Wales and Ireland have been found wanting. Argies have simply discovered the lost art of getting the ball wide. Something we've forgotten

It actually happens pretty often after a barnstorming display. We seem to start the next game slowly. Normally our defence keeps us in touch but when it doesn't we have no answer with our current tactics.

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