RWC Pool D - Wallabies vs Wales - Sunday 29 September 2019 @ 5.45pm

[Rugbynutter39]

I thought AAA, Latu, Genia and DHP were best on. Biggar then red head Biggar for the welsh. Oh and that jammy 9 for them.

Dhp proved he deserves starting at 15 which means our only X factor player Beale goes to the bench. I would rather Beale starting but agree can’t see where so hence to the bench he goes

 

[KOB1987]

I don’t think our lineout went as well as some suggest, defensively it was strong. but in terms of an attacking platform it was poor, Wallabies threw to 2 or 4 all game and never went long, Wales were able to go long. Wallabies often ran 4 man lineouts, which mitigates the liability of having less primary jumpers in the pack, but means more defenders in the backline.

Best platform for a backline to attack from is from a 7 man lineout with the ball going to the pod at the back, it’s the closest pod to the flyhalf and means no forwards defending in the opposition backline. Wallabies never went long.

Worst attacking platform but safest option is a 2 ball on a short lineout, it means longer passes from the halfback to 5/8 presenting an intercept risk, and allows the forwards at the back of the lineout to move up on the flyhalf and inside channel. Wallabies played this all game.

I get what you're saying but that just sounds like you trying to ratify your pre game concerns. The lineout stats:

Aus - 12 wins, 0 losses, 2 steals
Wal - 7 wins, 2 losses, 0 steals

The lineout and the set piece generally were good.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Thread has doubled in size overnight & I've only read the last dozen or so posts so apologies if already done to death, but.....

Kerevi forearm should've been play on but at the next stoppage a reminder to player & captain that had the contact been direct to the throats it's minimum Yellow, possibly Red so be very, very, VERY careful.

Initially thought the Wails 9 had to be offside but watching it a few times it does seem like he anticipates/ guesses correctly when Genia lifts the ball & it's Genia's slow clearance plus the fact Rodda (?) is the only potential runner that brings the intercept into play. If Genia clears it faster and/ or has more than one potential receiver, the 9 could end up looking very silly as Wobs make deep inroads.

Wobs now likely to play Ringinland in QF & as I've posted before I think Poms will have issues after playing Argentina then France in their last two Pool matches. Big opportunity for Wobs to progress IMO but they'll obviously not be able to give away a 15-point start!

 

[wamberal]

We played like shite for most of the first half and still almost won. I was flabbergasted when we did not press our advantage in attack and opted to kick that final penalty. To'omua kicking possession away in the last couple of minutes was also weird.

What do the Latu haters think know? MOTM.

 

[Strewthcobber]

All our 9 and 10s look like diamonds in the last 35 minutes when the game loosens up and like crappy bits of coal for the first half when teams are still able to carryout their full press rush defense.

What's the answer against England?
I have no idea. Probably back to White/CLL with Genia and To'omua on the bench and hope we can stay close enough.

 

[Dctarget]

Don’t recall that one. But he was the bloke who infamously pulled back Speight’s try v the All Blacks a couple of years ago when DHP brushed Ben Smith’s shoulder about 10m behind the play.

Ya fucking joking. Okay he’s now top of my most hated. What a self obssesed prick that has to insert himself in everything. Last night Poite struggled so hard not to say “sacre Ben, c’est rien you pompous mouton lover”

 

[drewprint]

“Haha, gotcha again fellas!”

 

[Grant NZ]

If you think about it for a minute you might realise why you're mistaken about Skeen being the one that flagged the interference on Savea....

 

[Dismal Pillock]

The only way Australia won't make the quarters is if they lose to Georgia or Uruguay.

 

[Grant NZ]

Also, while the Kerevi decision was unquestionably bollocks, I bet you weren't so concerned about him flagging the feathery high tackle in the second half. Goes both ways.

 

[Up the Guts]

Also, while the Kerevi decision was unquestionably bollocks, I bet you weren't so concerned about him flagging the feathery high tackle in the second half. Goes both ways.

I wasn’t concerned because once you set a precedent for checking those things you actually need to be consistent.

 

[Adam84]

I get what you're saying but that just sounds like you trying to ratify your pre game concerns. The lineout stats:

Aus - 12 wins, 0 losses, 2 steals
Wal - 7 wins, 2 losses, 0 steals

The lineout and the set piece generally were good.

I think looking at numbers like that is a simplistic takeaway from what is, the single largest source of try-scoring opportunities in the past 3 RWCs. Those stats ignore the compromise of a shorter lineout and having more forward defenders in the backline come, they also don’t capture the dirty ball the backs were getting from constantly going to the 2nd man..

Wallabies lineout currently presents a poor attacking platform for everything except the driving maul. As an attacking platform, a lineout is the single best opportunity for teams to score due to the space it presents. That space doesn’t exist if you’re going to short line outs or to the 2nd man.

Fact is, in the past RWCs lineout represent the single largest source of tries scored in the tournament, And this wallabies team won’t have the opportunities by running likeouts like this game

 

[Dctarget]

If you think about it for a minute you might realise why you're mistaken about Skeen being the one that flagged the interference on Savea..

Can’t have a NZ TMO?

 

[Derpus]

Also, while the Kerevi decision was unquestionably bollocks, I bet you weren't so concerned about him flagging the feathery high tackle in the second half. Goes both ways.

He had no choice after absolutely fluffing the Kerevi decision he had to be soft.

Let's be real though, if the Kerevi decision is how rugby will.be officiated from here on out is it actually going to be worth a watch?

 

[Ignoto]

James O’Connor was guilty though of too much sideways running in first half

I’d say JOCs crabbing had more to do with those inside of him shoveling shit pill or not being able to pass properly let alone in front of the receiving player.

 

[Grant NZ]

He had no choice after absolutely fluffing the Kerevi decision he had to be soft.

Let's be real though, if the Kerevi decision is how rugby will.be officiated from here on out is it actually going to be worth a watch?

I hope not, it was an absolute shitshow of a call. Doesn't even make sense in terms of protecting the tackler as there was zero force and a fend, which can be far more forceful, is still legal.

 

[KOB1987]

If you think about it for a minute you might realise why you're mistaken about Skeen being the one that flagged the interference on Savea..

you're right sorry, it was a South African - Veldsman.

Skeen did do something outrageous though recently, what was it?

EDIT - I know what it was. He was the TMO in the third Ireland test last year.

 

[swingpass]

you're right sorry, it was a South African - Veldsman.

Skeen did do something outrageous though recently, what was it?

take your pick of any/every game he has been TMO at. the opening few rounds of super this year were so diabolical he was given a "rest". i thought we had seen the last of him. beggars belief he is at the RWC.

"chek chek, Romain, we have vision.... "

several minutes of visual and verbal interplay elapse

"so what your'e saying is there is nothing to be seen and play on"

"that is correct"

 

[KOB1987]

take your pick of any/every game he has been TMO at. the opening few rounds of super this year were so diabolical he was given a "rest". i thought we had seen the last of him. beggars belief he is at the RWC.

Especially for a key game like this.

 

[KOB1987]

I think looking at numbers like that is a simplistic takeaway from what is, the single largest source of try-scoring opportunities in the past 3 RWCs. Those stats ignore the compromise of a shorter lineout and having more forward defenders in the backline come, they also don’t capture the dirty ball the backs were getting from constantly going to the 2nd man..

Wallabies lineout currently presents a poor attacking platform for everything except the driving maul. As an attacking platform, a lineout is the single best opportunity for teams to score due to the space it presents. That space doesn’t exist if you’re going to short line outs or to the 2nd man.

Fact is, in the past RWCs lineout represent the single largest source of tries scored in the tournament, And this wallabies team won’t have the opportunities by running likeouts like this game

We are a side that has to make compromises in order to get our best players on the field. One of those was that we use the lineout for ball security rather than an attacking platform, and the stats show that we adapted well. You were quite vocal leading into the game that our lineout would get hammered, it wasn't.