RWC Pool D - Wallabies vs Wales - Sunday 29 September 2019 @ 5.45pm

[Up the Guts]

Hmm.yeah.. There are quite a few games lately where I swear he is just a very average player. Particularly where the ref protects the hell out of the attacking ruck, like Poite did/does. I haven't seen him impose himself over a game in a LONG time. (don't watch Brumbies much). The game just isn't the same for a fetcher 7 as it used to be.

9 carries for 3 metres, 10 tackles (2 missed). Had 1 very good try assist. Got around the park. Pretty standard.

Hooper made a few much bigger and a few much dumber plays than Pocock today.

 

[Gnostic]

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I'd honestly have to say its line ball on whether he is offside. Look at how long Genia is taking to pass the ball. He has picked it up and wound back, Rhodda has stopped dead waiting for the ball and nobody else in ever going to get it. It is about as telegraphed as you can get. Frame two shows Genia has taken a step as he often does. Hard to argue if somebody wants to call it offside, but just as hard to argue for offside as well. ​

In that case lets look at the other major contributor to the try, the set up that telegraphed the pass to Rhodda as the only possible receiver, him standing pretty much flat footed to do so and Genia, as he has very often been criticised for taking an age to move from picking up the ball to passing it.​

 

[ACR]

Hooper made a few much bigger and a few much dumber plays than Pocock today.

Yeah but he also scores tries, all. the. time. Ran for 39 metres. He's all over the park too. Thought he got dudded on at least one turnover.

 

[Up the Guts]

Yeah but he also scores tries, all. the. time. Ran for 39 metres. He's all over the park too. Thought he got dudded on at least one turnover.

i agree, Hooper's been a standout all year for the Wallabies. If we're in a world where we don't worry about the captaincy and we just look at form then Hooper gets the nod for me.

 

[molman]

I think annoyance and disappointment will only come from looking again and again at these screen captures. At the end of the day it was awarded. I can only hope that Skeen did look at it, but really it probably should have been looked at as it looked very much like a possible offside.

Whatever happened to that future where the audience could choose what camera they wanted to look at for sporting matches?

 

[gel]

Hooper had a strong game as a player, and his pretty well as captain today too.

Not sure he is deserving of any real critizism on today's performance.

 

[Bobas]

I think annoyance and disappointment will only come from looking again and again at these screen captures. At the end of the day it was awarded. I can only hope that Skeen did look at it, but really it probably should have been looked at as it looked very much like a possible offside.

Whatever happened to that future where the audience could choose what camera they wanted to look at for sporting matches?

I used to be able to press the red button and look at Larkham cam... I'm going to blame Foley

 

[Strewthcobber]

I think it's off the ground but is that what is considered 'out' or is it until it's clear of the ruck? Presumably, if it was buried in the ruck and he had to reach in and yank it out it would be off the ground but not 'out'.

This is the great conundrum of our sport. Nobody knows when the ball is out except for the ref, and he's got his back to the offside line (which is exactly how refs are taught to position themselves by the way)

AR, TMO etc can't really make a call. They don't know when the ref thinks the balls out.

 

[Viking]

Hooper had a strong game as a player, and his pretty well as captain today too.

Not sure he is deserving of any real critizism on today's performance.

Agreed. Hooper has been top 3 performers each game. Ive been a strong Pocock advocate for years. But on current form, you'd have to go with Hooper over Poey is your dropping the Pooper.

I'd rather Dempsey over LLS if thats the case though

 

[gel]

Btw, "2 Meters" at 20km/hr is 1/3 of a second Poite.

Not a great amount of time to get out of the way of an entire human, let alone pull out if a committed tackle.

They need to mandate certain replays be only real time. Forward passes is another one that shouldn't be reviewed with slow motion.

 

[tragic]

Anyone got a link to the Cheika presser
I need a laugh right now

 

[Up the Guts]

Anyone got a link to the Cheika presser
I need a laugh right now

It's a pearler.

 

[Th0mo]

This is the great conundrum of our sport. Nobody knows when the ball is out except for the ref, and he's got his back to the offside line (which is exactly how refs are taught to position themselves by the way)

AR, TMO etc can't really make a call. They don't know when the ref thinks the balls out.

Actually they tell you move from the tackle line on to the A line as the tackle/ruck/maul contest resolves specifically for this reason so you can control offside at the moment ball clears. Poite was out of position (which happens). Interesting seeing Gardner in other games even dropping into pocket behind ruck once tackle/ruck is resolved, guess it saves doing the pirouette to follow the ball and being in contact zone.

Having possibly made a mistake the TMO needed to help the ref out. Skeen was abysmal whenever Australian teams played in Super Rugby so not surprised at his interventions and non-interventions in this game.

 

[Joe Blow]

Aside from Foley, I don't feel the selections cost us, and we have a selection panel now. Tactics seemed fine, we were dominating Wales all around the ground--see DP's post. A couple of years ago our setpiece was absolute junk, we just dominated the Welsh completely in lineout and scrums, seems to be some improvement to me.

Now, I think the Wallabies are ready for a change of coach post WC but I don't think this was the game where I thought, man we need a change of coach it's just not working.

That was about 4 years ago

 

[Up the Guts]

That was about 4 years ago

What was? The setpiece? It was awful in 2016 and not much better in 2017, although the scrum was miles better than the lineout. It's definitely improved under Cheika which was my point. How much of that is down to him and how much is down to having better forwards coming through who have been coached better at the levels below is another discussion.

 

[Viking]

What was? The setpiece? It was awful in 2016 and not much better in 2017, although the scrum was miles better than the lineout. It's definitely improved under Cheika which was my point. How much of that is down to him and how much is down to having better forwards coming through who have been coached better at the levels below is another discussion.

You can credit the solid scrum and improved rolling maul to the Brumbies

 

[molman]

This is the great conundrum of our sport. Nobody knows when the ball is out except for the ref, and he's got his back to the offside line (which is exactly how refs are taught to position themselves by the way)

AR, TMO etc can't really make a call. They don't know when the ref thinks the balls out.

But surely the TMO can chime in and say hey there is a possible offside, would you like to look at it, in which case the ref can appraise if the player was onside when "they" thought the ball was out?

 

[Viking]

But surely the TMO can chime in and say hey there is a possible offside, would you like to look at it, in which case the ref can appraise if the player was onside when "they" thought the ball was out?

I was already so sick of the TMO chiming in. So many god damn stoppages

 

[Derpus]

Im genuinely so fucking sick and tired of hearing about how we got stiffed. We knew how he was going to ref within 10 minutes but it took us 40 to cotton on.

 

[Slim 293]

Well, that was expected..........

If I had to find some individual positive performances -

The tight 5 - set piece good, and some strong carries from the likes of Sio, Latu and Arnold........ lots of good work from Rodda, and AAA scrummaged like a beast.

DHP and To'omua both had great games.