RWC: Pool C - Wallabies v Fiji - Monday 18 Sep 2am AEST

[Braveheart81]

Yeah but it’s a struggle, it’s not the same as it use to be . Those players are considered a after thought these days and only really get a look in if a certain position is lacking at the super rugby level
…. club rugby also offer very little incentives for a young player wanting to reach the pros compared to leagues club system, Where opportunities are far more attainable and structured for the next level

Well, the sport used to be amateur so there wasn't really any permanent teams above club rugby.

I'm not really sure what your point here is but it seems to be that we need to be paying guys who aren't very good in case they one day do become good.

I think the pathways are working pretty well in that it is very rare that a player of any talent reaches adulthood without being known to the various systems.

 

[Joe Blow]

That was just a snowball of Jones approach, his selections and our shallow depth. Disappointing to say the least. Jones out!

 

[Goosestep]

Well, the sport used to be amateur so there wasn't really any permanent teams above club rugby.

I'm not really sure what your point here is but it seems to be that we need to be paying guys who aren't very good in case they one day do become good.

I think the pathways are working pretty well in that it is very rare that a player of any talent reaches adulthood without being known to the various systems.

Well… That’s what league.. does, every local club has a senior nrl side development squad attached to a local club… then from about 15 years of age those players are chosen.. you become a junior broncos or junior dragons .. that give a lot of kids the believe of making it to the pros … it’s a CLEAR pathway

in rugby the pathway is a cluster fuck …

also it’s kind of disrespectful to say club rugby players “aren’t very good” …. It’s not true … the fact is the opportunities arent very good !

 

[liquor box]

Well thoroughly enjoyed game, but still slightly bemused. Who would of thought Fiji would beat Wallabies by scoring one less try and getting more kicks? Has noone got repsect for history and how tradionally these teams play?
Wallabies will be rightfully disappointed, but at end of the day I think we should all give massive credit to how well Fiji played. Their breakdown work was a joy to behold, and when their lineout went to pack in second half (and Wallabies' went well), they continued to find a a way to stay in game. Very good for the WC I think.

Hopefully this loss will highlight to the Wallabies how important taking any points on offer is, 3 on the board is better than 7 you never get.

For some reason we want to play the "Aussie brand" of rugby and just score tries, as a fan I would prefer wins than tries, and when you start winning, the tries will come.

We rely too much on rolling mauls off line outs and box kicks that get us no benefit. I am not a coach, but I am pretty sure I could develop a game plan against the Wallabies because we never change. Even changes in coaches has not changed the repetitive tactical failures that Australian Rugby has had for years.

 

[liquor box]

Nah that's on McReight.

It's one of those ones where if McReight didn't compete for the ball, the ref would've been fine with Valetini most likely.

He needs to be smarter.

So McReight should not contest the ball because someone else is breaking the rules?

 

[Dctarget]

So McReight should not contest the ball because someone else is breaking the rules?

yeah if that someone is on his team. Skill #1 of a pilferer, know when to strike.

 

[Braveheart81]

So McReight should not contest the ball because someone else is breaking the rules?

Absolutely. This happens multiple times every game. The referee will almost always give a player longer to roll away if them being there isn't creating an opportunity for a teammate to attack the ball.

They're ultimately not the one penalised but they are the cause of the penalty. They're forcing the referee's hand.

 

[eastman]

Hopefully this loss will highlight to the Wallabies how important taking any points on offer is, 3 on the board is better than 7 you never get.

For some reason we want to play the "Aussie brand" of rugby and just score tries, as a fan I would prefer wins than tries, and when you start winning, the tries will come.

We rely too much on rolling mauls off line outs and box kicks that get us no benefit. I am not a coach, but I am pretty sure I could develop a game plan against the Wallabies because we never change. Even changes in coaches has not changed the repetitive tactical failures that Australian Rugby has had for years.

Have you actually watched any of the recent games? We kick more than we ever had in the past,(and we even have a player solely picked for his goalkicking) certainly more than Fiji who we just lost to.
This isn’t a team playing the old ‘run it from everywhere mantra’

 

[Mr Pilfer]

Our only hope to progress from here is for Eddie to come out tomorrow and say we have picked up some unfortunate injuries and Kemeny/Leota/Donaldson/Vunivalu and Perese are going home and being replaced by Samu/Hooper/Quade/Ikitau and Wright

 

[Joe Blow]

Our kicking was once again woeful. Petaia and White kicking it away while hot on attack Gordon and Donaldson kicking aimlessly. Donaldson kicking the pill away with less than a minute to go when we needed a 7 pointer.
Kicking is fine as long as it is well directed and timed.

 

[Braveheart81]

Donaldson kicking the pill away with less than a minute to go when we needed a 7 pointer.

I think this was fine. We had slow ball within 10m of our own line.

Hanging onto the bonus point was important and we were far more likely to concede points trying to attack from our own line than score them. Obviously we almost gave up the bonus point anyway by giving away a penalty a minute later.

 

[Goosestep]

Our only hope to progress from here is for Eddie to come out tomorrow and say we have picked up some unfortunate injuries and Kemeny/Leota/Donaldson/Vunivalu and Perese are going home and being replaced by Samu/Hooper/Quade/Ikitau and Wright

That means he be admitting he was wrong …

also are u sure they’re all match fit ? And be able to play a cohesive game plan with less than a week to go

 

[Tomikin]

So McReight should not contest the ball because someone else is breaking the rules?

That whole sequence was a bit of a mess, I don't think Valetini did anything wrong or affected play at all, he was a fair way away from the ruck and McReight was right on it and I think should have got the steal... highly likely a different game/ref we would have got that penalty

 

[rodha]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/16lab2j

 

[Slim 293]

I hope that link is where you'll now be posting all of your off topic Ewen McKenzie/Quade/Nucifora rants?

 

[rodha]

I hope that link is where you'll now be posting all of your off topic Ewen McKenzie/Quade/Nucifora rants?

Maybe I'm the guy ranting in the video? you can let it all out mate, this is therapy for us all.

 

[Dctarget]

Yeah we kicked it away a bunch but also every time we ran it, we gave away a penalty for holding on. Either way we were giving it back, I think that might be our highest penalty count in a while, 18! That's absolutely fucked.

 

[dusk]

Donaldson kicking the pill away with less than a minute to go when we needed a 7 pointer.

He literally had no other options???

 

[rodha]

Yeah we kicked it away a bunch but also every time we ran it, we gave away a penalty for holding on. Either way we were giving it back, I think that might be our highest penalty count in a while, 18! That's absolutely fucked.

It comes with the lack of genuine experience... the Wallabies finished the game looking like:

9 IFL 10 Donaldson 11 Koro 12 Foketi 13 Petaia 14 Vunivalu 15 Nawaqanitawase.

With respect to some fine players there, there is a complete lack of leadership & experience on the field when they most need it. Everything that was cautioned of when Eddie named the squad has since transpired...

Quade would've provided this team with some much needed direction. Australia required his leadership in these situations.

Then you have a coach with a track record of destroying team culture & is given a few months to prepare the team for a WC.

 

[John S]

Yeah we kicked it away a bunch but also every time we ran it, we gave away a penalty for holding on. Either way we were giving it back, I think that might be our highest penalty count in a while, 18! That's absolutely fucked.

I do think however, the penalties we gave away in attack (about half) were because Brace was very quick with his holding on calls, and we had no one supporting either.