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Cyril Towers (30)
Isn't retrospective yellow cards also part of the citing process now? Which would mean that you can technically also be cited for a yellow card offence.
RWC: AUS v WAL (Twickenham): POOL A; 2:45am (AEDT) Sunday 11 October
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Isn't retrospective yellow cards also part of the citing process now? Which would mean that you can technically also be cited for a yellow card offence.
From the same night of games, Burgess and a Samoan player, Treviranus were both given a citing commissioner warning which is the off field yellow card. That is the treatment for something deemed a yellow card offence. Three of those and you then have to face a hearing.
This is a full citing with a hearing which is the result from the citing commissioner deeming it to have met the threshold for a red card.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
But the FrankLind posting mentioned that this was 2-5 so that was deemed a red by the commissioner
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Soz. Braveheart put it better
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Cyril Towers (30)
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Cyril Towers (30)
Oh I can't argue with that. That tackle was the hardest tackle I've ever seen that was also 100% technically correct. Obviously Poite's froglegs disagreed.
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George Smith (75)
Yup:
"All players will be regarded as having commenced the Tournament without any yellow cards or Citing Commissioner Warnings on their record ......"; and
"The list of YC & CWC accumulated [in-Tournament] will be re-set ito zero..... immediately after the quarter finals...."
http://pulse-static-files.s3.amazon...89506e44/150723_WC15_Disciplinary_Process.pdf
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Jason Little (69)
I'd go with McMahon at 7, Poey at 8 and McCalman on the bench. Otherwise, I agree subject to Giteau and Folau being uninjured. I would prefer now to keep Pocock as our go to No 8, and for Hooper and McMahon to now cover 7 between them. If Folau can't make it, I'd stick with Beale at 15 as he is the nominal backup there. Similarly if Giteau can't make it I'd go with To'omua as the other No 12 in the squad.
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Ron Walden (29)
Agree on McMahon for Hooper as that is as close to a like-for-like replacement as we could make anywhere in the sqaud. Also, looking at the number of set-piece plays involving Pocock at #8 it would make little sense to tamper with those by shifting him up the side of the scrum. I think Gits should have a rest regardless of being injured or not. It is pretty obvious that he is not getting any younger I would much rather see him back fresh for the quarters.
Cheers mate, I thought I'd seen that somewhere.
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Ron Walden (29)
Interesting point BH. You would think the red card incidents would be pretty obvious and deserved of on on-field yellow at the very least. I can understand that the ref's would prefer to see the citing officer review the offenses after the match than make the wrong call during a big game though. In my mind the most inconsistent thing at the tournament so far has been the head-high or around the neck clean outs. We have seen plenty of yellows but at the same time we have seen plenty go without nothing more than a warning.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Apparently England's training facility at Pennyhill park that the RFU spent millions on has to be made available to those in QFs
Bet Mike Brown plays 'hide the turd' before leaving
Bet Mike Brown plays 'hide the turd' before leaving
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Fair enough. Otherwise god knows how long the bans for the Islanders would have been!
The Wallabies are in a tricky position with Hooper. I feel pretty strongly that he shouldn't get suspended. He clearly makes contact with his left hand as he makes contact with Brown. Both players end up going to ground together.
The comment that he is diving off his feet is also inaccurate. At the moment of impact his feet are still on the ground. That is all you're required to do. You don't have to still be on your feet after the cleanout is completed.
The fact that the incident was reviewed by the referee and TMO at the time and it was decided that it was penalty only should also support his claim. It's not like the incident was missed.
I agree he could have got a yellow card but that should have meant that an off field yellow was the maximum sanction. I think this is a long way off being a red card.
The judiciary is such a case of walking a tight rope though and if it looks like he'll be given a one match suspension with a guilty plea I'd take it if I were the Wallabies. It would be far more detrimental for the side if he is missing for the quarter final.
The ARU seems to challenge these citings too frequently and it hasn't worked in their favour. It seems like once you are cited it is nigh on impossible to escape a sanction so mounting a challenge might be a bad idea.
The comment that he is diving off his feet is also inaccurate. At the moment of impact his feet are still on the ground. That is all you're required to do. You don't have to still be on your feet after the cleanout is completed.
The fact that the incident was reviewed by the referee and TMO at the time and it was decided that it was penalty only should also support his claim. It's not like the incident was missed.
I agree he could have got a yellow card but that should have meant that an off field yellow was the maximum sanction. I think this is a long way off being a red card.
The judiciary is such a case of walking a tight rope though and if it looks like he'll be given a one match suspension with a guilty plea I'd take it if I were the Wallabies. It would be far more detrimental for the side if he is missing for the quarter final.
The ARU seems to challenge these citings too frequently and it hasn't worked in their favour. It seems like once you are cited it is nigh on impossible to escape a sanction so mounting a challenge might be a bad idea.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
That's a really good point!
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Another good point!
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Ron Walden (29)
Good point BH. It was interesting that the wallaby management had made rumblings about challenging QC (Quade Cooper)'s yellow card from the previous week but I am guessing that never happened? I agree that it would be a good deal safer to take the slap on the wrist, have Hooper sit this one out and be back on board the following week, though assuming we beat Wales (not disrespect CB) I wouldn't be too worried about Scotland either. If he is going to spend any time riding the pine then the next couple of weeks would be the best IMO.
Personally, I didn't like the look of the clean-out at all and regardless of which way you slice-n-dice it I think an off-field yellow would be a fair call, but nothing more.
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