RWC: AUS v ENG (Twickenham): POOL A; 6am (AEDT) Sunday 4 October
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Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
England at the World Cup knockouts.
Well done Dewald Nel, as they say: "A picture tells a thousand words"!!
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Concur. It is worthy of an entry on the Blog Front page under http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/?p=87415
Cardiffblue
Jim Lenehan (48)
England have more talented players than you can point a stick at. What happens to them at international level has to be down to the Woodward era mindset amongst the coaches
Cardiffblue
Jim Lenehan (48)
I'm wondering what's happened to our armchair general? He's gone awful quiet. After watching Wales in Cardiff followed by Australia at Twickers he's probably in A&E still with a grin on his face
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
I read that over 600,000 people (mostly poms) applied unsuccessfully for tickets to this match. Is it wrong to wish they had been there for the experience.
Samson, our daughter was one of them!
We've been doing that since 2007. You don't need someone at the ground for good coverage.
Dewald Nel
Cyril Towers (30)
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Not entirely sure about that.
The RWC 2015 Disciplinary Process guide says this under Citing Process:
A Citing Commissioner from a neutral country will be appointed for each of the 48 Matches in the Tournament. The Citing Commissioner will review the Match live and from recordings. He will have access to all the available Match clips from the host broadcaster lTV and Hawkeye multi-camera feeds. The Citing Commissioner may cite a Player for an act of Illegal and/or Foul Play contrary to Law 10.4 of the Laws of the Game within 36 hours of the conclusion of the Match. Where the Citing Commissioner requires more time to investigate a particular incident he may apply to the judicial Officer for an extension of time.
No mention that the Citing Commissioner must consider that the act of Illegal and/or Foul Play has to be worthy of a Red Card, however the document then says this later:
Any Citing Commissioner Warning will be notified to an individual player and his Union within 36 hours of the completion of the Match. Citing Commissioner Warnings are issued by the Citing Commissioner for incidents of Foul Play which are not subject to a yellow or red card by the referee and which the Citing Commissioner considers falls just short of a red card offence.
So, a player may get cited for an act of Illegal and/or Foul Play contrary to Law 10.4, but if that act did not receive a Yellow or Red Card from the referee, and the Commissioner considers it falls short of a Red Card, then the worst that can happen is the wet lettuce leaf punishment of a Citing Commissioner Warning, which is the equivalent of an on field Yellow Card for the purposes of future disciplinary issues.
In this instance (for both Hooper and Burgess), the acts could be considered Foul Play contrary to Law 10.4 and worthy of a citing. Neither act was subject to Yellow or Red Card from the referee, so it is still up to the Citing Commissioner (CC) to determine if they consider the acts to be Red Card worthy. If yes, then Burgess and Hooper are off to see what the Judicial Lottery Sanctioniser randomly selects for them. If the CC decides that the acts fall short of a Red Card, then it is off to the Official RWC 2015 S&M dungeon for 50 lashes from the Gunston Corp Wet Lettuce Leaf Thrash-o-matic.
That was an awfully long post to say that if the incident isn't deemed worthy of a red card, you won't get cited and the worst that can happen is you get an off field yellow card.
The Snout
Ward Prentice (10)
All debts with England have been settled.
Anyone who had objectively been following any of England's Rugby for the last year or two knew England had nothing other than Twickenham going for them. They didn't know their best team, they played negative Rugby and were a one trick show. When the Australian scrum removed that trick what else did they have ? A league convert a year short of being able to provide value.
No, the chariot has hit bottom and well deserved. England need a complete clean out and a change in mindset to what Rugby they need to play. Living off the 2003 win and 2007 final are gone. A shift in mindset is needed.
Anyone who had objectively been following any of England's Rugby for the last year or two knew England had nothing other than Twickenham going for them. They didn't know their best team, they played negative Rugby and were a one trick show. When the Australian scrum removed that trick what else did they have ? A league convert a year short of being able to provide value.
No, the chariot has hit bottom and well deserved. England need a complete clean out and a change in mindset to what Rugby they need to play. Living off the 2003 win and 2007 final are gone. A shift in mindset is needed.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
@Braveheart81. It was a long post to get all the magic words from the RWC process on the table, so that everyone had the same hymn sheet in front of them.
1. You may get cited by the Citing bloke even if the act of foul play isn't deemed worthy of a red card.
2. If the act cited fails to meet the red card criteria in the Citing Bloke's view, then it is off to the Gunston Corp Wet Lettuce Leaf Thrash-o-matic.
1. You may get cited by the Citing bloke even if the act of foul play isn't deemed worthy of a red card.
2. If the act cited fails to meet the red card criteria in the Citing Bloke's view, then it is off to the Gunston Corp Wet Lettuce Leaf Thrash-o-matic.
Lorenzo
Colin Windon (37)
I think if the papers had ever provided thorough or interesting coverage of rugby I'd notice if it went missing. They never really have - it's merely a literal summary of the events that one could see with one's own eyes (at best). Spiro used to write decent analysis articles but Growden never did and I don't even know who is doing it these days.
My first port of call for results is wikipedia (because it's not full of pop up ads for Range Rovers and shit). I then watch the matches, then i come here.
Don't really need the thoughtless "here's what happened" coverage in the Oz papers and I doubt anyone else does either, if they have even a mild interest in the game.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Here -- have a look for yourself.
(Better video here.)
The overhead angle from the touchline shows him dropping his arm back, and throwing his shoulder into Mike Brown's head/neck. So call that what you will. Jannie Du Plessis was carded the game before for pretty much the same thing, and an Argentinian player was penalized against Tonga for leading with his shoulder in a tackle and connecting with a Tongan head.
I guess just wait and see.
It's certainly a penalty and probably a yellow card as well, but that's about it. O'Donnell was yellow carded for Ireland against Italy for a carbon copy of this. This type of incident has been penalised and/or yellow carded all tournament, but to my knowledge has never resulted in a red card. Unless it's a red card - it can't then be a suspension.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
If there are 4 pools and there are 10 tier 1 nations (6N plus TRC), then there will always be at least one 'pool of death'. No amount of fiddling with methods can alter the mathematics of it.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Hooper seems to give Sanchez a boot to the melon in the process, but as others say if the Citing Bloke doesn't think "Red Card", then the worst is that can happen is it's off to the Gunston Corp Wet Lettuce Leaf Thrash-o-matic.
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