RWC 2027 Australia

[wamberal99]

There are a lot of consultants walking around looking for work atm.

There are always too many.

 

[dru]

Surely the size of stadiums is the limiting factor for ACT hosting the RWC? If you can only manage 20K, then "North Korea v Russia" is about it, yes?

 

[Adam84]

Surely the size of stadiums is the limiting factor for ACT hosting the RWC? If you can only manage 20K than "North Korea v Russia" is about it, yes?

I can't remember what the corporate facilities are like at GIO, but that's the other profit margin factor that influences these. Kind of like international airlines and business class, it might be 10% of the seats, but it's 40% of the revenue.

That's where you need the government to kick in more to offset the lower profitability from fewer corporate facilities.

 

[mst]

Some interesting quotes in that article:


Not sure what support he's talking about when the Brumbies have already effectively folded back into RA, but you'd hope to see something specific and substantial eventuate soon to offset missing out on world cup games. Still, it feels like the most efficient and effective solution to both was the new stadium everyone has been crying out for.

ACt Gov have been kicking in about $2mil a year for the last few years.

 

[liquor box]

I have always been disappointed that the ACT doesn't replicate the Forsyth Barr stadium. It seems like a good option given the climate.

I have been even more disappointed that they have a senator who I assume still likes rugby who could help promote and fund a new stadium but it has not been built.

 

[dru]

I have always been disappointed that the ACT doesn't replicate the Forsyth Barr stadium. It seems like a good option given the climate.

I have been even more disappointed that they have a senator who I assume still likes rugby who could help promote and fund a new stadium but it has not been built.

I'm pretty sure that senator suggested nothing around rugby stadiums in his policies prior to election. That money surely would not come from the National govt but from ACT itself. If they want it.

 

[SouthernX]

A new stadium in Canberra backed by a business planmakes little sense.

sure the town has a NRL/Rugby team but the population doesn’t really warrant pro sports being there. (There’s no aleague, afl, BBL team etc)

curious how you get Canberra stadium financed? With or without a new stadium - Luke combs and Taylor swift are swerving the nations capital.

 

[JRugby2]

A new stadium in Canberra backed by a business planmakes little sense.

sure the town has a NRL/Rugby team but the population doesn’t really warrant pro sports being there. (There’s no aleague, afl, BBL team etc)

curious how you get Canberra stadium financed? With or without a new stadium - Luke combs and Taylor swift are swerving the nations capital.

I think it's similar to the issues with the Gabba in that the current facility is reaching end-of-life and needs to be replaced/ upgraded anyway - and not a single person has called out Canberra missing out on Luke Combs, Taylor Swift, or any other equivalent major events as evidence it's needed.

Yes - they would be missing out on events now, but not of that particular scale.

Advocates aren't asking for a 80,000 seat mega stadium - just one that is roughly the same size; that has some protection from the elements so it's not 40 degs in the sun in summer and negative 10 in the wind in winter - and maybe a bit closer to town.

And if you can demonstrate a public benefit/ favourable CBA to make it a govt issue - and/or find private backing, well there's your money.

I have always been disappointed that the ACT doesn't replicate the Forsyth Barr stadium. It seems like a good option given the climate.

I have been even more disappointed that they have a senator who I assume still likes rugby who could help promote and fund a new stadium but it has not been built.

Poey has long advocated for a new stadium. First result on Google takes you to his policy page on the topic - and there are a few articles where he spoke about it as an election issue for him in the lead up to the 2022 race.

 

[Slim 293]

A new stadium in Canberra backed by a business planmakes little sense.

sure the town has a NRL/Rugby team but the population doesn’t really warrant pro sports being there. (There’s no aleague, afl, BBL team etc)

curious how you get Canberra stadium financed? With or without a new stadium - Luke combs and Taylor swift are swerving the nations capital.

Canberra is in dire need of a modern, moderately sized stadium to replace the outdated ice box out at Bruce.

There's a W-League team, and Canberra is supposed to enter the A-League next season.

The ACT Govt already pay a mint for GWS to play a bunch of games at Manuka Oval, which also now hosts the occasional T20 game.

There was also a proposal for a new CBD stadium on the old Civic Pool site attached to the Convention Centre to create a multi purpose entertainment hub that was backed by both rugby bodies and various Canberra business groups...

But the ACT Govt has outright rejected a stadium there, or within the CBD area because of "traffic" and "parking," which seems a bit short sighted in my view.

Regardless, they need to get something going soon or they're going to continue to miss out on events, and the overall fan engagement is going to keep dropping.

 

[SouthernX]

Yeah I don’t see it happening is all @JRugby2

the Canberra raiders and Ricky Stuart have been banging this table for years.

There’s just as much a chance the brumbies are potentially out of super rugby by 2027.

they should try to recruit an A League team and then there’s a business case for a 12 months all year round rectangular venue

 

[JRugby2]

Yeah I don’t see it happening is all @JRugby2

the Canberra raiders and Ricky Stuart have been banging this table for years.

There’s just as much a chance the brumbies are potentially out of super rugby by 2027.

they should try to recruit an A League team and then there’s a business case for a 12 months all year round rectangular venue

Maybe, I'm not close enough to it to have an good enough understanding beyond a few articles. But just like the Gabba - I think it's getting to the point where something will need to be done or the stadium may not be able to host anything at all (or at least heavily reduced capacity limits like they have with Ballymore right now).

 

[Strewthcobber]

The business case done relatively recently found that there wouldn't be a positive return on the investment in a new stadium without more events and more tennants.

So unless they can work that out it just seems pretty unlikely the Territory will find finance, or the Feds will provide a grant.

 

[Derpus]

The business case done relatively recently found that there wouldn't be a positive return on the investment in a new stadium without more events and more tennants.

So unless they can work that out it just seems pretty unlikely the Territory will find finance, or the Feds will provide a grant.

Chicken and egg situation, right? How do you line up more events/tennants with such a garbage stadium...

 

[Braveheart81]

Business cases for new stadiums are generally a waste of time because if they go anywhere close to showing them being a good financial decision then the numbers are likely to be rubbish.

It's a public amenity though that provides residents with an entertainment venue. It is not at all surprising that a stadium that is approaching 50 years old is in dire need of replacement. Every year the case gets stronger.

At some point the ACT and Federal Governments will decide to fund it. One of the things that holds it back is likely the political climate where the ACT is very stable politically so there is no great drive to throw money at it as an election promise to win votes.

 

[mst]

A new stadium in Canberra backed by a business planmakes little sense.

sure the town has a NRL/Rugby team but the population doesn’t really warrant pro sports being there. (There’s no aleague, afl, BBL team etc)

curious how you get Canberra stadium financed? With or without a new stadium - Luke combs and Taylor swift are swerving the nations capital.

Actually, CBR generally punches above its weight with sports attendance. Cbr sells out every Giants AFL game (Manuka capacity restricts crowd numbers) and gets really good BBL crowds (good crowd numbers regardless of the who the home team is as show when they were the COVID game hub) . Too many sports is the issue and substandard venues for the major events. Teams in CBR struggling are they same as those struggling nationally such as Aleague Union, Netball, basketball. CBR Cavalry have been creative (as per all ABL teams) but has healthy support under private ownership (they are in the title playoffs this weekend).

I personally believe the game needs to stop looking at the external factors of stadiums etc and look inwards. The game is just not what it used to be, nor is it engaging enough anymore. Would I pay to see minow game in CBR with current costs of living and the ridiculous prices WR (World Rugby) and will charge? - No.

So we will end up with all the games in the traditional states / locations then whinge later that we can't get the reach we need and the decreasing interests where we already play is hurting us. But alas, the best we have is flash in the pan events like RWC, or club stuff no paying punter cares about.

 

[mst]

I can't remember what the corporate facilities are like at GIO, but that's the other profit margin factor that influences these. Kind of like international airlines and business class, it might be 10% of the seats, but it's 40% of the revenue.

That's where you need the government to kick in more to offset the lower profitability from fewer corporate facilities.

GIO has pretty good Corporate and a decent amount of space It's the core amenities like toilets, change rooms and general venue catering that's poor, and the weather issue. Raiders really milk (no pun intended) the corporate facilities and get a good returns. Brumbies no longer draw much of the corporates which is what the ACT Gov has seen. Its not like the ACT has a big corposte population as it is mainly APS etc.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Chicken and egg situation, right? How do you line up more events/tennants with such a garbage stadium...

The Government makes deals with sporting comps and other entities subsidising them at the new joint.

A bit like Braveheart says, the business case says what the government wants it to say. Until we see planning documents with a positive outcome then there isn't really a desire by those that matter to get it done.

In other words, don't hold your breath

 

[dru]

I think it's similar to the issues with the Gabba in that the current facility is reaching end-of-life and needs to be replaced/ upgraded anyway - and not a single person has called out missing out on Luke Combs, Taylor Swift, or any other equivalent major events as evidence it's needed.

You are following different media to myself then. There was a hue and cry over missing Swift with calls across many radio stations and commentary sites around Brisbane population requiring a modern larger stadium.

 

[SouthernX]

You are following different media to myself then. There was a hue and cry over missing Swift with calls across many radio stations and commentary sites around Brisbane population requiring a modern larger stadium.

it was revealed Taylor was considering Brisbane shows but she chose to do extra shows in Singapore/Tokyo etc

but acts are constantly giving Brisbane the swerve. We don’t have the facilities too hang with Sydney and Melbourne yet the smaller cities like Adelaide and Perth have better stadiums then us

 

[JRugby2]

You are following different media to myself then. There was a hue and cry over missing Swift with calls across many radio stations and commentary sites around Brisbane population requiring a modern larger stadium.

That specific line (now edited) was in reference to Canberra and how those major artists we're "swerving the nations capital".

But yes, plenty of media around Taylor Swift skipping Brisbane and how a bigger/ better stadium would have helped secure that event and others similar - however this is off topic.