Rugby - not set pieces
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Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
"how big he is in terms of his size"
Brendan Cannon talking about Rocky Elsom
Brendan Cannon talking about Rocky Elsom
Langthorne
Phil Hardcastle (33)
As opposed to his magnanimity maybe?
Nusadan
Chilla Wilson (44)
What a game of two halves in the just finished Heineken Cup final...Northampton Saints absolutely murdered Leinster in the scrum despite having a prop in the sin bin in the first half, they actually scored two tries in that period when they were a man down...half time score 22 to 6...Leinster looked absolutely washed out and BOD let in such a so soft try...
So was expecting Saints to pull off a remarkable victory, and so watched the London sevens and tuned back in to discover they had scored two tries early in the 2nd half with Sexton running riot, scoring both and potting 3 goals plus two penalties in the wash up...with no response from the Saints to have the score at the death being 33 to 22...
What was remarkable was the complete turnaround of the scrums in that latter half...Leinster gained great ascendancy over the Saints in that repect in complete reversal to the first half...what happened?
I also managed to rejoice in the Aussies getting a last gasp win over Samoa in the last pool game when the above was all happening...thank goodness for live streaming...Samoa scored four tried but no conversions whilst we got 3 fully converted tries with the last one on the bell!
Now I've got to get back to finally watch the Sharks v Bulls 2nd half and the rest of the sevens...
So was expecting Saints to pull off a remarkable victory, and so watched the London sevens and tuned back in to discover they had scored two tries early in the 2nd half with Sexton running riot, scoring both and potting 3 goals plus two penalties in the wash up...with no response from the Saints to have the score at the death being 33 to 22...
What was remarkable was the complete turnaround of the scrums in that latter half...Leinster gained great ascendancy over the Saints in that repect in complete reversal to the first half...what happened?
I also managed to rejoice in the Aussies getting a last gasp win over Samoa in the last pool game when the above was all happening...thank goodness for live streaming...Samoa scored four tried but no conversions whilst we got 3 fully converted tries with the last one on the bell!
Now I've got to get back to finally watch the Sharks v Bulls 2nd half and the rest of the sevens...
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Stats
• Saracens had the best lineout in the Avira Premiership, winning 92 % of their ball, Leicester had the 2nd best at 89% and Leeds were 3rd at 87%. Sarries used it as an attacking weapon as did the Tigers. These two teams are in the Premiership final as they were last year; so lineouts must have been a be part of their success.
But a good lineout didn't do a lot for Leeds: they were last in the standings this year and got relegated.
Commentators
• Matt Pearce Sharks v Bulls on Bakkies Botha getting 9 stitches in the back of his head: “You've got to wonder how they got a needle in there.” Good point. Good point?
• Stuart Barnes at end of the Leinster v Northampton HC Final which Leinster won after being down 6-22 at oranges. “They must have been somewhere approaching shell-shock, yet they played the 2nd half as though the first half never happened.”
Indeed after being down 6-22 at oranges they scored 27 answered points. How all coaches would like their players to respond like that. Leinster still have the Magners League final to play and but regardless of that result, and the HC final, for that matter, they have been the best team in Europe this season.
If you get a chance to watch the HC final have a look at this historic match.
Quotes
• Leinster skipper Leo Cullen complaining that it was the other front row that was at fault in a scrum in the Heineken Cup final: “We're coming up and they're fooking pushing below.” Not exactly a great defence Leo: sounded like you were pleading guilty. And that was a Saints scrum which marmalised yours though having an inside centre packing on the flank because of a sin bin.
He didn't say anything after the next scrum. His 8 man pack lost a tight head to 7 men; the no. 12 then defending in the back line.
But the Leinster scrum made a comeback in the 2nd half.
Schoolboy stuff
• A certain well known Newington school player (no names please) would have got a rocket from his coach after the Newington v Joeys trial game on Saturday. Whilst the Joeys kicker was taking a conversion from touch, he waved his arms behind his goal-line trying to put the kicker off. All the Joeys boys on the hill behind the kicker waved back at him. The kick hit the upright and missed; so the referee gave him another shot, but that missed too.
• Saracens had the best lineout in the Avira Premiership, winning 92 % of their ball, Leicester had the 2nd best at 89% and Leeds were 3rd at 87%. Sarries used it as an attacking weapon as did the Tigers. These two teams are in the Premiership final as they were last year; so lineouts must have been a be part of their success.
But a good lineout didn't do a lot for Leeds: they were last in the standings this year and got relegated.
Commentators
• Matt Pearce Sharks v Bulls on Bakkies Botha getting 9 stitches in the back of his head: “You've got to wonder how they got a needle in there.” Good point. Good point?
• Stuart Barnes at end of the Leinster v Northampton HC Final which Leinster won after being down 6-22 at oranges. “They must have been somewhere approaching shell-shock, yet they played the 2nd half as though the first half never happened.”
Indeed after being down 6-22 at oranges they scored 27 answered points. How all coaches would like their players to respond like that. Leinster still have the Magners League final to play and but regardless of that result, and the HC final, for that matter, they have been the best team in Europe this season.
If you get a chance to watch the HC final have a look at this historic match.
Quotes
• Leinster skipper Leo Cullen complaining that it was the other front row that was at fault in a scrum in the Heineken Cup final: “We're coming up and they're fooking pushing below.” Not exactly a great defence Leo: sounded like you were pleading guilty. And that was a Saints scrum which marmalised yours though having an inside centre packing on the flank because of a sin bin.
He didn't say anything after the next scrum. His 8 man pack lost a tight head to 7 men; the no. 12 then defending in the back line.
But the Leinster scrum made a comeback in the 2nd half.
Schoolboy stuff
• A certain well known Newington school player (no names please) would have got a rocket from his coach after the Newington v Joeys trial game on Saturday. Whilst the Joeys kicker was taking a conversion from touch, he waved his arms behind his goal-line trying to put the kicker off. All the Joeys boys on the hill behind the kicker waved back at him. The kick hit the upright and missed; so the referee gave him another shot, but that missed too.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Why was he allowed a re-kick?
#1 Tah
Chilla Wilson (44)
hahaha made my day!
DPK
Peter Sullivan (51)
Now, I thought this was an easy question to answer. But upon consulting the lawbook, it appears the decision may not have been right.
Thoughts?
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
Law 21.5 (c) states: If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.
"Hands by their sides". So, not only are opponents barred from waving their arms, they are even prevented from feeling to see whether their dongers are still intact. The habits of infancy are often entrenched.
"Hands by their sides". So, not only are opponents barred from waving their arms, they are even prevented from feeling to see whether their dongers are still intact. The habits of infancy are often entrenched.
Well, if they had dressed to the left...or right, they could do it inconspicuously. Well, some might.
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
You are correct, DPK. My mistook. As you suggest, for a conversion the Laws appear to be silent on what sort of mischief the opposing team can get up to so long as they do not overstep their goal line prematurely or make a noise doing it.
It brings to mind the comment of the noted actress Mrs. Patrick Campbell when asked what she thought about the activities of Oscar Wilde and his friends: "I don't care what they do, as long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses".
You're not allowed to charge down a penalty goal, only a conversion.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
This was a conversion according to LG
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
MrTimms
Ken Catchpole (46)
Happened to me one night. Charged down a conversion yelling. got pulled back he missed but got another go. Charged down the next one, apparently after being pulled back the first time, you can't charge at all. got pulled back he missed but got another go. We stood still quietly. He kicked the points.
Learnt a valuable lesson there.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Commentators
• Phil Kearns Brumbies v Stormers after talking about the generous size of Schalk Burger's head, which had just damaged a team mate: “He'd certainly be in the Easter Island XV, there's no doubt about it.”
• Tim Horan, during the Reds v Crusaders match, talking about James Horwill's 26th birthday: “Will he have enough energy to blow out his candles on his birthday cake tonight?” Greg Martin: “He wouldn't care; if he wins this he'll lick 'em out.” They certainly licked the Crusaders but only just.
Referees
• Well done to Wayne Barnes Leicester v Saracens [Aviva Premiership Final] when sin binning Youngs after only 5 mins for cynical play on his goal line. He gave the player a rocket, showed the card and didn't wait until he gave a fawning explanation to the Leicester captain first. Apologetic Super referees take note please.
Top 14
• Recently I said that France has dispensation to have a more liberal use of the TMO in try incidents for their domestic competitions but they didn't adjudicate on forward passes. I was wrong.
Soon after oranges in the Racing v Montpellier Top14 semi-final the ball popped out from a Racing ruck about 30 metres out. Montpelier 10. Trinh-Duc picked up the pill and charged ahead but got tackled about 6 metres out. He popped a pass to his 12. Fernandez who went over. Referee Romain Poite asked the TMO to decide if the pass was forward. Nope – try.
Players
• Saracens, who won the Premiership final on the weekend, have played 48 Premiership games in the last two seasons, Schalk Brits,the MOTM in the final, played in 47 of them. Saracens also play in other competitions, such as the Heineken Cup; so Brits earns his pay.
• Saracens usually rotate their two fine international scrummies Neil de Kock and Richard Wigglesworth but they are similar players so they can't make a horses for courses decision. They can't split them; so before the final the two players tossed a coin and de Kock won and started. After 50 minutes Wigglesworth replaced him.
Trivia
• Hands up those who can spot the error in this link:
http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=30410
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• Phil Kearns Brumbies v Stormers after talking about the generous size of Schalk Burger's head, which had just damaged a team mate: “He'd certainly be in the Easter Island XV, there's no doubt about it.”
• Tim Horan, during the Reds v Crusaders match, talking about James Horwill's 26th birthday: “Will he have enough energy to blow out his candles on his birthday cake tonight?” Greg Martin: “He wouldn't care; if he wins this he'll lick 'em out.” They certainly licked the Crusaders but only just.
Referees
• Well done to Wayne Barnes Leicester v Saracens [Aviva Premiership Final] when sin binning Youngs after only 5 mins for cynical play on his goal line. He gave the player a rocket, showed the card and didn't wait until he gave a fawning explanation to the Leicester captain first. Apologetic Super referees take note please.
Top 14
• Recently I said that France has dispensation to have a more liberal use of the TMO in try incidents for their domestic competitions but they didn't adjudicate on forward passes. I was wrong.
Soon after oranges in the Racing v Montpellier Top14 semi-final the ball popped out from a Racing ruck about 30 metres out. Montpelier 10. Trinh-Duc picked up the pill and charged ahead but got tackled about 6 metres out. He popped a pass to his 12. Fernandez who went over. Referee Romain Poite asked the TMO to decide if the pass was forward. Nope – try.
Players
• Saracens, who won the Premiership final on the weekend, have played 48 Premiership games in the last two seasons, Schalk Brits,the MOTM in the final, played in 47 of them. Saracens also play in other competitions, such as the Heineken Cup; so Brits earns his pay.
• Saracens usually rotate their two fine international scrummies Neil de Kock and Richard Wigglesworth but they are similar players so they can't make a horses for courses decision. They can't split them; so before the final the two players tossed a coin and de Kock won and started. After 50 minutes Wigglesworth replaced him.
Trivia
• Hands up those who can spot the error in this link:
http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=30410
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