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Rugby league in sh*t

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RugbyFuture

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not sure if this belongs here, and if everyone is as jubiliant and happy about this article as i am (its even from the terror) but take a looksy.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...m-licensed-clubs/story-e6frexnr-1225830699774

NRL clubs feeling the pinch as poker machine tax hits grants from licensed clubs

* By Joe Hildebrand and Dean Ritchie
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* February 16, 2010 12:00AM

CONCERNED NRL chief executives fear some Sydney-based clubs could collapse amid revelations that almost $10 million has been hacked from their budgets.

An investigation by The Daily Telegraph has revealed that annual grants from the licensed club industry to the nine Sydney NRL sides they support has been slashed by a third in just five years - from $28.8 million in 2005 to an estimated $19.1 million this year.

Senior teams are now desperately feeling the pinch and junior and grassroots competitions have been decimated.

The State Government's unpopular poker machine tax has been identified as the major reason behind the stunning reduction in grants from leagues clubs to football clubs.

"It is a major problem for the game. Rugby league could be in a drastic state within two to three years," Souths' chief executive Shane Richardson said last night.

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NRL boss David Gallop said clubs were hurting badly. "There have been numerous examples of clubs being forced to drop teams out of junior competitions and cut competitions altogether," he said.

"Cuts across the board have impacted on every club. I can definitely say that our footy clubs have been hit hard by the leagues clubs being put into a position where they haven't been able to provide the traditional funding sources."

The cuts also come amid an exodus of punters from clubs and a resurgence of gambling in pubs.

St George Illawarra enjoyed a $4.5 million grant in 2007, which has now been reduced to $2.9 million in 2010.

The Sharks' $2.5 million grant in 2008 has been pruned to $750,000 in 2010, Parramatta are down from $5 million in 2008 to $3 million and Penrith drop from $6 million in 2004-05 to $3 million this year.

Souths boss Richardson said: "We have to make sure clubs don't collapse but it's a real danger. This $10 million is the tip of the iceberg. The only way clubs will disappear is through natural attrition.

"Leagues clubs can't afford to keep putting money in. I have great confidence in the game but rugby league has major financial difficulties.

"Hopefully the membership drive will solve some problems, but we need a business plan that doesn't rely on poker machines.

"I've been saying this for four years but no one has listened. It's biting hard."

Wests Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys and Panthers boss Mick Leary also spoke of their fears. "Clubs are facing a difficult challenge. It's not easy," Humphreys said.

Parramatta CEO Paul Osborne said his club was exploring every path to financial security. "This is why membership is important. We are looking at all revenue streams," Osborne said.

The Bundaberg Red Cup was cut from 12 teams to 10 last year and just eight this season.

And last year the Roosters were forced to pull out of the Harold Matthews and S G Ball junior competitions after their leagues club funding dropped from $6 million a year to its current level of between $3-4 million.

The powerful Souths Juniors has even been hit, recording a $6 million loss last year as it tries to comply with the 2007 indoor smoking ban. Latest figures show gaming revenues in clubs have taken another dive, prompting warnings from some operators clubs may soon be unable to provide any rugby league funding.

A spokesman for NSW Treasurer Eric Roozendaal said Clubs NSW agreed to the tax rates through a memorandum of understanding, and that the Government had introduced financial hardships provisions to assist clubs experiencing a decline in gaming revenue.

Should Rugby be gearing up to take posession?
 
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TOCC

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i dont think rugby league is shit at all, in fact its better then rugby union is so many areas, there are plenty of things that rugby union could learn off rugby league
 

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
No, JF, I don't share your jubilation and happiness about the problems of another sport. Rugby league is a very important part of the lives of large numbers of people in NSW and Queensland. Their commitment appears much stronger than that of most followers of our sport.

Even someone as young as you will not live to see the demise of rugby league or a takeover of it by rugby.

We have more than enough work to do to reclaim rugby as a sport rather than a business. That should be our challenge.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
Staff member
I'm with Bruce on this. A lot of people are passionate about their sport even if we think it's one-dimensional and boring.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
Staff member
I feel sorry for the leagues clubs, imagine having to pay tax on your earnings, that's just unfair!
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Rugby League is always in shit, but they seem to be able to somehow manage their shit.

Contrary to popular belief, one code will gain very little from another's shit.
 

TheRiddler

Dave Cowper (27)
Whilst not wanting to see the total demise of another sport, its about time that RL was brought down to earth and faced up to a couple of commercial realities.

If RL needs the revenues of thousands of pokie machines that destroy lives and are a pox on the community and the country then they deserve everything they get. On one hand, they constantly wang on about their community focus and the good they do for disadvantaged people and on the other they prey on the same community and disadvantaged people (who are too stupid to realise they are gambling their life away) for their very survival.

What next? Turning to tobacco companies for sponsorship so that more people are encouraged to kill themselves? Oh wait, they've already tried that......
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
I've always thought that League played an important role in keeping dribbling idiots out of our game.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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I'm with TR on this one; if the cutting-down-to-size of rugby league is the consequence of the demise of poker machinse, well, so be it. For leagues clubs (and other poker machine-addicted clubs) to cry foul when the possibility of company tax being levied is raised is quite disingenuous. As if paying a few pieces of silver to local clubs and communty organisations makes up for the misery caused by many bread-winners losing their wages on these contraptions.

When Iemma raised the issue a few years ago of these gigantic clubs contributing a fairer share to the public purse there was a set of figures issued pointing out licensed clubs in New South Wales spent more on renovations one year (2004?) than the state government spent on capital works in hospitals. Some of these clubs have so much money (Bulldogs League Club, for instance) they have trouble spending it. My wife and I lived near Bulldogs from 1990 to 2004 and in that time the whole club went through THREE complete multi-multi-milllion dollar refurbishments. And that's just Bulldogs in the inner west; Tigers at Rozelle and Wests at Ashfield are equally as big, and ugly. We now live in the lower Blue Mountains, too close to Panthers. The size of the latest lot of additions is quite grotesque. It's also gone through many major refurbishments and additions in the last two decades.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Lindommer - yes, how about that Bulldogs club? It seriously looks like a Vegas hotel, complete with fake volcano in front. Un-fucking-believable. Oh, and Tigers in Rozelle (which I used to live close to until recently) is about to be ripped down, and completely rebuilt into a few towers. Glad I moved before it started (although I did get the damn annoynace of the pretty pointless new bridge for a bit). And Tigers will be much much bigger (huge), including shops and some residential. Plus, don't forget Souths Jnrs, too, to join Bulldogs, Tigers and Wests.

How do they make their money? Not through memberships when it costs something like $20 a year to be a member. Or from their food outlets, when they are rather cheap comparatively to eat and drink at. Sad that the clubs cry about being taxed on human misery, and like to pretend they are altruistic in the community with their profits. As if.

Agree with all above (apart from the bites at league) - taxing massive profits from a social blight? How dare they.
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
I got Ryde Eastwood leagues (even though they support a minor team) but they have huge amounts of revenue and own a couple of towers up gold coast way for its members, they also go through "reinvogoration" every two years, whilst eastwood rugby club goes to crap.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
sydney clubs in rugby league have been in the shite for many many years, thats why there banging on about this independent commission. if control is in the clubs hands then they can slice a bigger bit of the pie from the television ratings to prop themselves up. means grass roots go to shit, but its all about protecting themselves. why the city needs so many clubs i will never know.
 
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chief

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NRL needs to make money from ticket revenues. They give out far too many free tickets, I think we will see them cut down on these.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
chief said:
NRL needs to make money from ticket revenues. They give out far too many free tickets, I think we will see them cut down on these.

i know for a fact, wont name them, but you can work out who it is by the fact that the tahs announce there crowd as 20000 and the stadium is pretty full, then the next day there is barely half from the night before and they announce it as 25000, this is because there previous sponsor demanded certain attendance figures be met for bonuses and targets to be hit.

happens at a few clubs, i have a mate who works for the one above who was charged with the responsability of standing at a turnstyle and swiping 500 tickets along with 3 or 4 colleges so that the numbers came up on the stadiums computer.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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waratahjesus said:
chief said:
NRL needs to make money from ticket revenues. They give out far too many free tickets, I think we will see them cut down on these.

i know for a fact, wont name them, but you can work out who it is by the fact that the tahs announce there crowd as 20000 and the stadium is pretty full, then the next day there is barely half from the night before and they announce it as 25000, this is because there previous sponsor demanded certain attendance figures be met for bonuses and targets to be hit.

happens at a few clubs, i have a mate who works for the one above who was charged with the responsability of standing at a turnstyle and swiping 500 tickets along with 3 or 4 colleges so that the numbers came up on the stadiums computer.
That's appalling, but surprises me very little.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
The problem with league is the money at the top levels, and the number of players, is so tight that even in a shit comp like the Jim Beam Cup they pay players hundreds or even thousands of dollars a week to play. I know a 19 yo kid playing hooker (i.e. halfback in a real sense) who earns $200 a game playing for Quakers Hill in the second-rate comp they participate in.

Some senior league clubs have gone bust when they got the sponsorship money (we're talking $10K) together for a season for a star player. The next year the money isn't there, so neither is the player, and the results wane. The club's existence is next.

Its a fucking basket case. Situations like this are primed and ready for NSW Rugby or Subbies or the ARU to take advantage of in Western Sydney, and they sit on their hands and continue to blow money giving S14 players over-inflated pay cheques, instead of planning for the future we need: a third-tier comp with a team that Western Sydney can follow.

At the Renegades, we ask the guys from Sydney FC, Wests Tigers, Cowboys (NRL), or Parramatta to donate signed jerseys for auctions and fundraisers. Go to Subbies or NSWRU and it better be cap in hand and cash ready...

Fuck league. They had their chance.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Staff member
Back to the RPs original question: "Should Rugby be gearing up to take possession?"

No.

This isn't about how much money the clubs have, or which is a better version of the sport (fuck, that's gotta be painfully obvious) it's about tribal class and belonging.

Look here in Pommyland at Chavball. Same deal; it's the sport of the masses. When the clubs here go bust, or move grounds, the fans don't look for another sport, they'll continue following the same mob their yobbo father did even if they're no longer professional.

Even if Rugby in Australia tried to, it couldn't market to this lot - who would have the genius to put a volcano out the front of a rugby club?

Yes, there are some 'swing voters' who can genuinely follow both and will switch their spend dependent on the mood, but the vast majority is the rock solid Mungo base for whom 'yawnion' is a toffs sport. The only thing we can do with this lot is start winning with the Wallabies and they might switch on the set for a test or two out of patriotism.
 
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