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Rugby league in sh*t

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I just say some guy from the Rugby Football Union should create a civil case against Rugby League and they should not have the right to the name of rugby. Could be amusing, and could be fucking impossible. Would make my day.
 

RugbyFuture

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chief said:
I just say some guy from the Rugby Football Union should create a civil case against Rugby League and they should not have the right to the name of rugby. Could be amusing, and could be fucking impossible. Would make my day.

I've been stating that over a the (apparently dreaded) roar website whenever they call it union, and they say "so sue us" I think someone should.
 
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RugbyFuture said:
chief said:
I just say some guy from the Rugby Football Union should create a civil case against Rugby League and they should not have the right to the name of rugby. Could be amusing, and could be fucking impossible. Would make my day.

I've been stating that over a the (apparently dreaded) roar website whenever they call it union, and they say "so sue us" I think someone should.

fuck da roar
 

Jethro Tah

Bob Loudon (25)
Lindommer said:
I'm with TR on this one; if the cutting-down-to-size of rugby league is the consequence of the demise of poker machinse, well, so be it. For leagues clubs (and other poker machine-addicted clubs) to cry foul when the possibility of company tax being levied is raised is quite disingenuous. As if paying a few pieces of silver to local clubs and communty organisations makes up for the misery caused by many bread-winners losing their wages on these contraptions.

When Iemma raised the issue a few years ago of these gigantic clubs contributing a fairer share to the public purse there was a set of figures issued pointing out licensed clubs in New South Wales spent more on renovations one year (2004?) than the state government spent on capital works in hospitals. Some of these clubs have so much money (Bulldogs League Club, for instance) they have trouble spending it. My wife and I lived near Bulldogs from 1990 to 2004 and in that time the whole club went through THREE complete multi-multi-milllion dollar refurbishments. And that's just Bulldogs in the inner west; Tigers at Rozelle and Wests at Ashfield are equally as big, and ugly. We now live in the lower Blue Mountains, too close to Panthers. The size of the latest lot of additions is quite grotesque. It's also gone through many major refurbishments and additions in the last two decades.

I'm with you Lindo on this one. I was born and bred in the lower blue mtns and had to put up with the great eyesore that is the Panthers Leagues Club in all its might and glory for 20 odd years. Sure they put a lot into the community but nowhere near as much as they took out of it. Nothing more depressing than seeing all the old folk and the unemployed lined up out front at opening time on pension day.

But to pilfer from their supporter base - good luck trying to explain the intricacies of the breakdown rule to them.
 

RugbyFuture

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Gagger said:
Even if Rugby in Australia tried to, it couldn't market to this lot - who would have the genius to put a volcano out the front of a rugby club?

Yes, there are some 'swing voters' who can genuinely follow both and will switch their spend dependent on the mood, but the vast majority is the rock solid Mungo base for whom 'yawnion' is a toffs sport. The only thing we can do with this lot is start winning with the Wallabies and they might switch on the set for a test or two out of patriotism.

My dad played league, and my great uncle was a first grade player for wests....
(disregard the fact my dad doesn't really like modern league games and we live in a Rugby dominant area..... and i went to a CAS school...)

and especially with increasing gentrification in australia, Rugby needs to try and dominate areas which traditionally shouldn't be Rugby areas. (look at the hills and hawkesbury)

...im even slowly trying to get this Rugby team going out at penrith UWS.
 

RugbyFuture

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Paris Tah said:
RugbyFuture said:
...im even slowly trying to get this Rugby team going out at penrith UWS.

Rugby at UWS? Look no further than the "blood & mustard" at Hawkesbury.

nah, looking beyond that, wider spread, more social club, looking to attract casual ruggers more...

got support from the NSWRU
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Paris Tah said:
RugbyFuture said:
...im even slowly trying to get this Rugby team going out at Penrith UWS.
Rugby at UWS? Look no further than the "blood & mustard" at Hawkesbury.

You're dating yourself a bit there, PT. Since you left Oz UWS have established campuses (campi?) at Campbelltown, Milperra, Parramatta and Westmead as well as Penrith and the blood and mustard's old home, Hawkesbury Ag. Every campus has its sports union and discrete teams. Which means UWS could/should have six rugby clubs. Wouldn't that be great.

NtA, is there a UWS campus at Quakers Hill? Nirimba, perhaps?
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
Lindommer said:
UWS have established campuses (campi?) at Campbelltown, Milperra, Parramatta and Westmead as well as Penrith and the blood and mustard's old home, Hawkesbury Ag. Every campus has its sports union and discrete teams. Which means UWS could/should have six rugby clubs. Wouldn't that be great

Its Hawkesbury, Parramatta, Penrith, Campbelltown, Bankstown. Blacktown is now "uws college" (useless tafe like thing) and westmead is leased out property to other public services.

the HACUWS boys are really protective of thier club(good or bad?), but the subbies bosses and Jim L'estrange are quite supportive of the idea, especially since UWS just signed a contract with the AFL team thingy
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Lindommer said:
NtA, is there a UWS campus at Quakers Hill? Nirimba, perhaps?

There is a campus there. Not enough numbers to make up a good rugby team though I don't think.
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mighty-panthers-declawed-20100227-pa3g.html

Mighty Panthers declawed
EAMONN DUFF
February 28, 2010

EXCLUSIVE

PANTHERS, Australia's largest licensed club empire, is in financial meltdown and is expected to report an $11 million loss to members.

The loss, confirmed by outgoing chief executive Glenn Matthews, is the largest in reversals spanning more than five years. It will strip at least $1 million from the club's NRL playing budget and threatens 900 employees across the state.

Mr Matthews, who resigned last week after 26 years at the club, said discussions had been held with the state government and Clubs NSW to offload some of its 14 properties across Sydney and NSW.

''There's no doubt we've had a trying year and suffered loss,'' he said. ''It will amount, with some write-downs, to about $11 million. There's parts of our strategy we need to revisit. We have 14 clubs at present. That will change this year.''

Mr Matthews said it was coincidence that he'd decided to quit days before members received copies of the club's annual report.

''My decision to call it a day has nothing to do with financial performance,'' he said. ''I need a new challenge. I'm sad to be leaving.''

From a ramshackle rugby league clubhouse in Penrith, Panthers grew to become the biggest licensed club brand in Australia with more than 140,000 members across seven clubs in Sydney and seven across regional NSW, including Port Macquarie, Newcastle, Bathurst and Lavington, near Albury.

At next month's annual general meeting, a survival strategy will be unveiled and is expected to include a sale of assets.

Club chairman Don Feltis, who took over the role in November, said he was ''very disappointed'' with the financial performance of the group, but was confident the position could be turned around.

''I'm not making any excuses about our financial position at the moment,'' he said. ''It's not good but we're trying to do something about it. We've got no problems as far as our financial holdings or assets are concerned. In the short-term we need to turn our cash flow positive so we can go into profit.''

Mr Feltis said the club planned to offload several of the poorer performing clubs, but declined to name which ones.

''I'm extremely confident that this time next year, the current problems the Panthers Group is having will be significantly reduced,'' he said.

Marketed as a family retreat where people could eat, drink, gamble and socialise, Panthers outgrew its rugby league roots by installing attractions including a water-ski park, tennis courts, land- and water-based driving ranges as well as plush conference and banquet facilities.

A boardroom source said: ''The amalgamation strategy was appropriate at the time, but then along came the non-smoking laws and poker machine tax increases.

''The club landscape changed forever. It had an effect on everyone, but more so on Panthers because we had 14 clubs in the stable.''

In 2002, then-chief executive Roger Cowan was forced to front a special commission of inquiry ordered to investigate the relationship between Panthers and Phyro Holdings, a family firm established by Mr Cowan in 1968.

It had previously emerged that Panthers had paid Phyro $2.9 million for legal, advertising and marketing services.

It emerged at the inquiry that Mr Cowan had visited the club's pay office in 2002 and awarded himself $219,985 in holiday pay because he had not taken a proper holiday in years. The inquiry stated there was no evidence that he had taken more than his due entitlements.

One board member said he recently resigned after watching others drive the Panthers club ''into the ground'' through poor decision-making. ''Over the past five years, they've accumulated losses of about $35 million,'' he said. ''Now they've reached the end of the road.''

Clubs NSW chief executive David Costello said he was alarmed to hear of the club's latest loss: ''The industry is facing massive challenges. There are plenty of clubs currently struggling to break even but none have encountered losses as bad as that. I don't understand exactly what has occurred up there. I'm at a loss, really I am. I'm staggered by that.''
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
It is, but it shows that while Union is generally more cautious with its money, League goes for the throat and occasionally pays the price. Relying on pokie taxes was never going to be a long-term strategy. As for claiming anti-smoking laws hurt them: what rot. Several clubs installed special outdoor poker machine areas so that patrons could continue to pour their bogan cash into the hungry little buggers while dosing up on lung cancer.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
RugbyFuture said:
DPK said:
RugbyFuture said:
...im even slowly trying to get this Rugby team going out at penrith UWS.

Need players?

we will, unfortunately its still an unfinished project right now, although i've had offers for friendlies via contacts with parramatta.

Im down at the parra campus, pm us if you need last minute players.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
I teach at Kingswood. This is becoming the UWS thread. I'm too old to play, though. I only just made it through a touch carnival yesterday. Everything hurts.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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But Scarfy, with the new, lighter, boring, teetotal you, the pace and jink must have been electric.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
-3kgs in 2 months. About 12kgs to go before the Quadesque jump-step comes back.

Before the 2nd game I announced to my team that I was going to score a length of the field intercept try. About 5 minutes in I saw my chance, charged out of the line, got a whole palm onto the ball, which deflected into the hands of one their players, who scored through the hole in our defence.

But it didn't stop me from running all the way to the end-zone and touching down with an invisible ball and celebrating. Our sideline fans were killing themselves but the oppo must've thought I was a prize fuckwit.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Scarfman said:
-3kgs in 2 months. About 12kgs to go before the Quadesque jump-step comes back.

Before the 2nd game I announced to my team that I was going to score a length of the field intercept try. About 5 minutes in I saw my chance, charged out of the line, got a whole palm onto the ball, which deflected into the hands of one their players, who scored through the hole in our defence.

But it didn't stop me from running all the way to the end-zone and touching down with an invisible ball and celebrating. Our sideline fans were killing themselves but the oppo must've thought I was a prize fuckwit.

In some coutries they shoot people for that sort of thing.
 
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