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These comments by SANZAR ref boss Lyndon Bray confirm Kaplan's comments on Page 1
No more rich pickings under new breakdown laws
TOBY ROBSON
January 24, 2010
RICHIE MCCAW will have to find a new way of wreaking havoc at the breakdown, while naughty props will be sent back to scrum school after a SANZAR pact to speed up the game for this year's Super 14. [and not just McCaw thank you, Holah was the world champ]
Rugby has undergone a major philosophical shift during the off-season, with SANZAR's referees driving changes in conjunction with the competition's coaches.
New SANZAR referees manager Lyndon Bray has told Fairfax Media of the first truly unified attempt between SANZAR's players, coaches and officials to create a more free-flowing spectacle. The key agreement is at the tackle, where the tackler will no longer have unbridled rights to attack the ball, something players like McCaw have turned into a fine art.
''We've agreed philosophically to change what the tackler can and can't do,'' Bray said. ''He is doing too much. We've allowed, in the evolution of the game, to let him remain in contact with the ball and ball carrier after he leaves his feet and he stays on the ball and jumps up and rips it away.
''It looks great in the one-on-one scenario, but its actually against the law.[No shit, Sherlock] We've agreed the tackler must release everything when he goes to ground and not hold on as he gets to his feet.'
The upshot will be more time for the tackled player to either pop the ball away to a support player or to place it back away from his body.
Players not making a clean release after the tackle and getting fully to their feet before going for the ball will be penalised.
The seeds of change were planted during a meeting last year between the referees and three coaches representing the Super 14 teams - Todd Blackadder (Crusaders), Rassie Erasmus (Bulls) and David Nucifora (Brumbies).
The other major change is at scrum time, where poor technique and illegal tactics have become a blight on the game. Three national scrum coaches Mike Cron (NZ), Pat Noriega (Australia) and Balie Swart (South Africa) will now monitor their respective country's five franchises and intervene if necessary.
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Reading this reminded me of some words in the Hallelujah Chorus. No doubt the elite fetchers will get some early leverage off the tackled player to get themselves up then innocently show their hands are off the tackled player for a nano second (the best predictions are true when you make them), but it's a start.
Perhaps Bray has been reading my remarks on my hobbyhorse, but it is more likely that the crackdown has been in response to the bleeding obvious. Only 10 years late - but hey - they're on it now.
They're admitting: "Yeah we stuffed up by our conventions of letting the tacklers break the law but hey, we thought it was good to let the game flow. Why stop the game for a penalty? It killed the flow. That's why we allowed scrummies to put the ball in crooked - damn didn't we let it flow - we let play go on, sure the defending hooker couldn't strike for the ball but who wants competing for the ball in union - league doesn't have it - we couldn't let the flow die; not the flow. The big refs, the guys with their names in the paper, they did it so we all did it - and the game flowed - it was beautiful, the flow. We were modern referees, we loved the flow - the assessors loved the flow too. It's not our fault I tells ya. It was the flow; it wasn't our fault, sob, it was ..... the flow."
It was their fault. Let's hope that the crackdown lasts longer than the crackdown nearly 10 years ago on not staying on feet which was a 3 week farce.
The next thing Bray should do is to convince good mate Paddy O'Brien to reverse the IRB ruling last year that if a player has his hands on the ball before the ruck is formed, he is allowed to keep them on afterwards. The point here is that more often than not he never let go of either the tackled player, or the ball, or both, to start with; so his right to keep hands in was compromised before the ruck formed anyway.
Perhaps Bray will point out to POB that reversing the ruling will let the game flow more.
No more rich pickings under new breakdown laws
TOBY ROBSON
January 24, 2010
RICHIE MCCAW will have to find a new way of wreaking havoc at the breakdown, while naughty props will be sent back to scrum school after a SANZAR pact to speed up the game for this year's Super 14. [and not just McCaw thank you, Holah was the world champ]
Rugby has undergone a major philosophical shift during the off-season, with SANZAR's referees driving changes in conjunction with the competition's coaches.
New SANZAR referees manager Lyndon Bray has told Fairfax Media of the first truly unified attempt between SANZAR's players, coaches and officials to create a more free-flowing spectacle. The key agreement is at the tackle, where the tackler will no longer have unbridled rights to attack the ball, something players like McCaw have turned into a fine art.
''We've agreed philosophically to change what the tackler can and can't do,'' Bray said. ''He is doing too much. We've allowed, in the evolution of the game, to let him remain in contact with the ball and ball carrier after he leaves his feet and he stays on the ball and jumps up and rips it away.
''It looks great in the one-on-one scenario, but its actually against the law.[No shit, Sherlock] We've agreed the tackler must release everything when he goes to ground and not hold on as he gets to his feet.'
The upshot will be more time for the tackled player to either pop the ball away to a support player or to place it back away from his body.
Players not making a clean release after the tackle and getting fully to their feet before going for the ball will be penalised.
The seeds of change were planted during a meeting last year between the referees and three coaches representing the Super 14 teams - Todd Blackadder (Crusaders), Rassie Erasmus (Bulls) and David Nucifora (Brumbies).
The other major change is at scrum time, where poor technique and illegal tactics have become a blight on the game. Three national scrum coaches Mike Cron (NZ), Pat Noriega (Australia) and Balie Swart (South Africa) will now monitor their respective country's five franchises and intervene if necessary.
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Reading this reminded me of some words in the Hallelujah Chorus. No doubt the elite fetchers will get some early leverage off the tackled player to get themselves up then innocently show their hands are off the tackled player for a nano second (the best predictions are true when you make them), but it's a start.
Perhaps Bray has been reading my remarks on my hobbyhorse, but it is more likely that the crackdown has been in response to the bleeding obvious. Only 10 years late - but hey - they're on it now.
They're admitting: "Yeah we stuffed up by our conventions of letting the tacklers break the law but hey, we thought it was good to let the game flow. Why stop the game for a penalty? It killed the flow. That's why we allowed scrummies to put the ball in crooked - damn didn't we let it flow - we let play go on, sure the defending hooker couldn't strike for the ball but who wants competing for the ball in union - league doesn't have it - we couldn't let the flow die; not the flow. The big refs, the guys with their names in the paper, they did it so we all did it - and the game flowed - it was beautiful, the flow. We were modern referees, we loved the flow - the assessors loved the flow too. It's not our fault I tells ya. It was the flow; it wasn't our fault, sob, it was ..... the flow."
It was their fault. Let's hope that the crackdown lasts longer than the crackdown nearly 10 years ago on not staying on feet which was a 3 week farce.
The next thing Bray should do is to convince good mate Paddy O'Brien to reverse the IRB ruling last year that if a player has his hands on the ball before the ruck is formed, he is allowed to keep them on afterwards. The point here is that more often than not he never let go of either the tackled player, or the ball, or both, to start with; so his right to keep hands in was compromised before the ruck formed anyway.
Perhaps Bray will point out to POB that reversing the ruling will let the game flow more.
C
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Who in there right mind would appoint Lyndon Bray as SANZAR's referees manager. He was bloodly useless.
Thomond78
Colin Windon (37)
France v Italy (Stade de France) Referee: Alan Lewis (Ireland) Assistant referees: Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand) and David Changleng (Scotland)
Christ. Now that's a full house of incompetence.
But this: France v England (Stade de France) Referee: Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand) Assistant referees: Alain Rolland (Ireland) and Simon McDowell (Ireland)
Lawrence getting that game ahead of Rolland. WTF? The guy has been proven, beyond all doubt, to be incompetent. How obvious does the fix have to be before it gets questioned?
Christ. Now that's a full house of incompetence.
But this: France v England (Stade de France) Referee: Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand) Assistant referees: Alain Rolland (Ireland) and Simon McDowell (Ireland)
Lawrence getting that game ahead of Rolland. WTF? The guy has been proven, beyond all doubt, to be incompetent. How obvious does the fix have to be before it gets questioned?
C
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As I have said earlier. All the IRB referee selectors have all refereed with Keith Lawrence (Bryce's Dad) so no matter how badly he referees he will secure top IRB appointments. Rolland definitely should have got the England vs France decider, as he speaks French. But then again the English really do not like him (Rolland)
A bit late on this article may have posted it
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-for-six-nations/story-e6frg7o6-1225810385144
Wayne Smth
A bit late on this article may have posted it
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-for-six-nations/story-e6frg7o6-1225810385144
Wayne Smth
MajorlyRagerly
Trevor Allan (34)
Give it a rest chief.
You don't like Lawrence, we all know that. God knows I've now read it on at least 55 threads on G & G Rugby.
Let me guess, you think Goddard should have got the gig?
Thomond - is there ANY referee you think is any good? Serious question.
You don't like Lawrence, we all know that. God knows I've now read it on at least 55 threads on G & G Rugby.
Let me guess, you think Goddard should have got the gig?
Thomond - is there ANY referee you think is any good? Serious question.
C
chief
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I give hats off to Watson and Mark Lawrence for that. Fantastic work, one would wonder why they currently have some of the best refs.
C
chief
Guest
I hope Bryce Lawrence is the TJ just so NZ won't be in the final. Yes, Mark Lwrence is one of the best, and one of the players favourites to have as a referee, and tries 100 percent to make sure that he has the facilitator role and not the "I want tv coverage" role. And Thomond will have something to say about Poite's selection there.
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