Refereeing decisions

[JRugby2]

Isn't the ball dead between scrum resets? I would have thought it was a viable time for the clock to be stopped for substitutions just like before the first scrum is packed.

Yes but not in the same practical sense as pre scrum.

If we have a reset, the idea is to have that reset as quickly as possible. Once the failed scrum is stopped, it's generally a less than 10 second stop for the players to stand back up and the referee to deliver a message before the formation restarts. That's not enough time to facilitate a tactical sub.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Official clarification of the confusion wrt Moana's overturned try v Blues

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[Strewthcobber]

Who'd be a ref?

Do I give the clearly correct decision.......or do I follow difficult, and poorly defined competition regulations?

Then when Gardner went back to Newman to clarify if they were inside protocol, and got silence, he opted to just rule out the try.

Thanks mate - really appreciate your help there.....

 

[Wilson]

Definitely not helped much by O'Keefe missing the foot in touch at the time

 

[Sully]

Who'd be a ref?

Do I give the clearly correct decision.......or do I follow difficult, and poorly defined competition regulations?


Thanks mate - really appreciate your help there.....

I he had listened for a second I'm sure he could have heard me screaming that he was wrong from the Gold Coast.

 

[Wilson]

Interesting question around this - if Moana hadn't got the turn over and the blues had instead run the length of the field to score, would/should that stand? Or does it (correctly this time) go back to the Lalomilo foot in touch?

 

[JRugby2]

yeah whatever was in that last passage of play, so up to the last: scrum, lineout, pen, free kick, turnover, try or any other stoppage.

Dumb.

 

[Strewthcobber]

The official line for Super Rugby is
“Under the current TMO protocol, a try can only be overturned if there is a clear and obvious infringement in the last attacking passage of play leading directly to the try,”

Defining an attacking passage of play’ as: “The passage of play since the last restart (if there has been no turnover in possession), or the passage of play since the last turnover in possession has taken place.”

 

[Wilson]

The official line for Super Rugby is
“Under the current TMO protocol, a try can only be overturned if there is a clear and obvious infringement in the last attacking passage of play leading directly to the try,”

Defining an attacking passage of play’ as: “The passage of play since the last restart (if there has been no turnover in possession), or the passage of play since the last turnover in possession has taken place.”

That was my understanding too. Which makes the whole thing particularly ridiculous. Touchies need to be making the call at the time and TMO's need to stop looking at anything they can't rule on.

I have a particular issue with the recent trend (at least to my eyes) of passive touchies - there seems to be this inclination to let the close calls go in the hope that the TMO will be able to rule on anything serious, playing some sort of de facto advantage (but usually with the team that has infringed still in possession). There was a similar call the week before in the Force v Brumbies game where the touchie went to raise his flag halfway but then lowered it when the player was clearly in touch. It's one thing to have this sort of dead time play out on a legitimate advantage (rules exist to govern that, even if they go to long for mine) but there is no precedent for it on a foot in touch. At this point I'd much rather they made the call at the time and got a few wrong, particularly that far out from the line. There's a lot less room for teams and fans to feel robbed when the play hasn't actually unfolded.

 

[Strewthcobber]

20 minute red cards become a global law trial, which means they will be used in all elite matches

World Rugby Council moves 20-minute red card to global law trial | World Rugby

The World Rugby Council has today approved the global trial of the 20-minute red card in elite competitions. This decision follows an extensive review of successful closed trials conducted in international and elite club rugby over the past year.

www.world.rugby

 

[Brumby Runner]

Implementation date is 1 August 2025, so doesn't look like it will be in force for the BIL.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Implementation date is 1 August 2025, so doesn't look like it will be in force for the BIL.

Murray Kinsella seems to think it will be in place for the Lions tour. Just needs agreement from both lions and Wallaby camps