I can comment to some of the queries but some replays of the incident is need. Will not comment on handling errors and some scrum penalties as I cannot remember the incident or did not see it.
2. 5:20 – scrum penalty against reds. Black 3’s head popped up and penalty went against the reds.
Yes. Nothing wrong standing up as it is a safety mechanism for a prop under pressure. So there will not be a rule nor any time will there be a rule as they will penalize a prop who try to avoid serious injury. Also another match between the Brumbies and the Cheetahs the last scrum after it wheeled a the Brumbies prop head popped upped. That is why the Cheetahs were penalized for but the referee made the mistake of letting a scrum that wheeled to go on. A referee will penalize the cause not the result. Lets look at what the cause is. First off all the ball-feeding team wants a stable scrum, the defenders want to create an unstable scrum and spoil. Before hand teams could get away with scrumming tactics that is illegal to milk penalties but referees has been coached thoroughly by ex front rowers and been told what the causes are of certain symptoms and what to look out for. The loosehead will walk around the tighthead, the tighthead will have to break his bind and bring his arm to his chest to protect his ribs. That also cause for him to stand up. They penalise the cause (loosehead) not the symptom (tighthead).
4. 6:32 – Red 5 penalised for not rolling away. Once he had made the tackle, the ball was out no more than a second later so he obviously moved quick enough. Was one of the crusaders fastest breakdowns in the match. – 3 points to black as a result
Does not matter how quick the ball came out. A infringement is still a infringement and in rugby a second is a lot. Anyways he was acting according to the law.
15.7 FORBIDDEN PRACTICES
(e) Danger may arise if a tackled player fails to release the ball or move away from it
immediately,
or if that player is prevented from so doing. If either of these happens the
referee awards a penalty kick immediately.
Sanction: Penalty kick
5. 12:37 – penalty against red 11 for holding on. He couldn’t have place it any quicker.
Refer to above
9. Scrum penalty against reds. Black 3’s head popped up first. Red 1 was penalised for bad angle. Ball was already out before red 1 bored in. Scrum was over – 3 point resulted
They penalise the cause (loosehead) not the symptom (tighthead).
10. 23:08 –penalty against red 4 for obstruction. He had no influence on the tackle, and the tackle was made.
Law 15.6 (d) At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal line.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Law 15.7 (d) Players on their feet must not charge or obstruct an opponent who is not near the ball.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Obstructing the arriving players
12. 31:06 – black 15 knocked on but should have been a penalty to reds (instead of a scrum) for accidental offside by black 10 for picking up the ball.
You can can have different reasons/situations here.
11.6 (b) When a player hands the ball to a team-mate in front of the first player, the receiver is
offside.
Unless the receiver is considered to be intentionally offside (in which case a penalty
kick is awarded), the receiver is accidentally offside and a scrum is formed with the
opposing team throwing in the ball.
11.7 When a player knocks-on and an offside team-mate next plays the ball,
the offside player is
liable to sanction if playing the ball prevented an opponent from gaining an advantage.
Sanction: Penalty kick
11.1 (a) A player who is in an offside position is liable to sanction only if the player does one of three
things:
• Interferes with play or,
• Moves forward, towards the ball or
• Fails to comply with the 10-Metre Law (Law 11.4).
A player who is in an offside position is not automatically penalised.
A player who receives an unintentional throw forward is not offside.
A player can be offside in the in-goal
8.5 (a)When there is more than one infringement by the same team:
• If advantage cannot be applied to the second offence the referee applies the appropriate
sanction to the first offence.
Obviously the referee felt that he was not obstructing or was offside on purpose. In which case accidental. Scrum. But in general play a player is offside if the player is in front of a team-mate who is carrying the ball. Debated disputed but looks more like a penalty than accidental.
14. 32:22 : black 9 infront of the ball at scrum. No penalty given to the reds. Ball was still in scrum and Ellis was behind red 8.
Can't remember that incident but if it is like describe then failure on referees part
Law 20.12 (c) When a team has won the ball in a scrum, the scrumhalf of the opposing team is offside if that scrumhalf steps in front of the ball with either foot while the ball is still in the scrum.
Sanction: Penalty kick
16. 35:09 – black 8 at the back of ruck making no attempt to roll away. No penalty awarded to reds.
At the back of the ruck. Was he interfering with play?
17. 39:53 – black one with hand on ground during scrum. No penalty given to reds. Actually penalty gone the other way.
For what did he nail them? Cause not symptom
19. 45:05 – red 5 penalised for offside. His feet were behind the try line. Direct result 3 points to black.
See that guy sitting on side of the ruck on his knees? He is offside. Not bound to the ruck nor make any intention to join the ruck or move away. The Reds guy closest to you standing by the ruck is also offside. He is standing in that offside position because if that ball came out there now they are in trouble so 3 points rather than 7 is the reason why he is there
Still offside
Here he sticks he's hand out you can see he is still offside
Still offside. All those Reds players behind him also offside.
So he was correct. No one has made a effort to get onside. Clear as daylight there
20. 47:15 – forward pass by red. No scrum awarded to crusaders.
Show me a pass in rugby that is not actually forward. 90 percent of them are forward if not more. Watch the following video below
21. 47:31 – reds penalised for being offside. They were all behind the last feet. (refer to tv at 47:27 to see all players onside.
At which stage? I can remember Ellis hauled down a metre or so from the line.
22. 49:10 – black awarded a penalty. No reason given by Bryce Lawrencethat I heard but I could not see one infringement from any reds player.
I believe it is the same incident as above
23. 50:37 – scrum penalty awarded to the crusaders. Black 2 popped his head up before red. Also in the replay showing other side of the scrum, black 1 with hand on ground. Penalty went wrong way.
Again they penalise the cause (loosehead) not the symptom (tighthead).
25. 52:19 – black 19 changing running angle to interfere red 7 from defending. Not penalised. IS an intentional professional foul and can be awarded a yellow card also.
Was he infront of the ball carrier? If not no obstruction. Play on SANZAR's orders.
26. 52:56 – Scrum awarded to black for red 2 not throwing in strait at lineout. It was strait. Refer to lineout at 65:32 and 68:39 being judged strait. Was more crooked by black 2 but judged to be strait.
Think the referee and linesman standing inline has a better view than a tv angle. Do not know until we see a replay.
27. 57:20 – penalty awarded to reds for black not releaseing, but red 12 was not supporting his own body weight as he pilfered. Penalty should have gone the other way.
(e) If opposition players who are on their feet attempt to play the ball, the tackled player must
release the ball.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(a) After a tackle, all other players must be on their feet when they play the ball. Players are on
their feet if
Sanction: Penalty kick
no other part of their body is supported by the ground or players on the ground.
Who/What was supporting his body weight?
28. 58:39 – penalty against reds. Red 12 was in fact the tackler and was within his rights.
What rights?
15.4 (a) When a player tackles an opponent and they both go to ground,
the tackler must
immediately release the tackled player.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(b)
The tackler must immediately get up or move away from the tackled player and from the
ball at once.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(c) The tackler
must get up before playing the ball and then may play the ball from any
direction.
Sanction: Penalty kick
30. 55:25 – lineout awarded to black for reds taking it into touch. He did not go out as my slow motion replay showed me.
So you had to use the slow motion replay to see if it was correct or wrong. Referees do not have that
31. 55:59 – black forward pass missed right in front of referee.
Refer to 20
32. 61:64: blatant knock on in front of referee by black 19 now given. His explaination is that the ball comes off the knee. Would be inconsequential if it came of his knee if he dropped the ball. Not sure why he used that as an excuse as it holds no bearing to the fact he dropped it.
When he dropped it did it go straight down or straight to knee or straight forward then hit a knee? a drop does not equal a automatic knock on. They don't encourage referees to blow misfields and fumbles, which are not knocks ons in terms of law.
33. 62:22 – reds dominant at scrum. Front row for black crumbling and not taking the weight. No penalty awarded to reds.
Dominant scrum does not mean you got to have a penalty. If there was not a offense then no penalty could be given. Referees will reward the dominant scrum as long as the dominance has been achieved legally.
64:43 – black 19 not supporting his weight when he pilfers the ball. No penalty awarded to the reds.
Refer to 28
34. Free kick awarded to black for too slow at lineout time. From the point of a lineout being formed, there were two occasions where black took longer to throw in and no free kick was awarded to reds. Refer to lineout at 5:50 and 55:56
Cannot remember the incident but the reds had some problems at the lineouts. Did someone stepped in the line out right before the ball was thrown in maybe?
35. 69:09 – Black 19 not releasing when tackled. Red 7 trying to pilfer. No penalty given to reds.
Higginbotham was lying on the wrong side at ruck
36. Textbook pilfer executed by red 7. Red 7 supporting own weight, was the tackler so was allowed to be standing where he was. Ruck was not formed prior to Gill getting his hands on the ball, player not releasing. Penalty awarder to black. Should have been awarded to red. 3 points resulting from the decision and the match and 4 competition points.
Gill having his hands in the ruck.
First one is Gill making the tackle. 2nd one he is on his feet trying to play the ball. Correct no ruck. SO
Law 16.1 FORMING A RUCK
(a) Where can a ruck take place. A ruck can take place only in the field of play.
(b) How can a ruck form. Players are on their feet. At least one player must be in physical contact with an opponent. The ball must be on the ground. If the ball is off the ground for any reason, the ruck is not formed.
Law 16.2 JOINING A RUCK
(a) All players forming, joining or taking part in a ruck must have their heads and shoulders no lower than their hips.
Sanction: Free Kick
(b) A player joining a ruck must bind on a team-mate or an opponent, using the whole arm. The bind must either precede, or be simultaneous with, contact with any other part of the body of the player joining the ruck.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(c) Placing a hand on another player in the ruck does not constitute binding.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(d) All players forming, joining or taking part in a ruck must be on their feet.
Law 15.6 (d) At a tackle or near to a tackle,
other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal line.
Sanction: Penalty kick
But Gill was the tackler so lets look at that law
Law 15.4 THE TACKLER
(a) When a
player tackles an opponent and they both go to ground, the tackler must immediately release the tackled player.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(c) The tackler must get up before playing the ball and then may play the ball from any direction.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Law 15 Tackle: Ball-carrier Brought to Ground
DEFINITIONS
Opposition players who hold the ball-carrier and do not go to ground are not tacklers.
Law 15.6 OTHER PLAYERS
c)
Players in opposition to the ball carrier who remain on their feet who bring the ball carrier to ground so that the player is tackled must release the ball and the ball carrier. Those players may then play the ball providing they are on their feet and do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or a tackler closest to those players’ goal line.
Sanction: Penalty kick
So correct decision again. Gill although on his feet did not give the ball carrier the chance to place the ball. You must do so. He did not. If he waited a split second later to get the ball he would have gotten the penalty for not releasing. But not at one stage did he release the tackler and gave him time to place it. So that is also the correct call. Both instances cost the Reds 3 points
