Reds vs Cheetahs, Rnd 4.

[Pfitzy]

Oh and some of those long balls Quade is throwing that got picked off, upcoming opponents will have watched with interest. From there limited amount I saw of the game, the Reds forwards were not making a statement

 

[USARugger]

I think it was only one long pass that got picked off, QC (Quade Cooper) double pumped when he should have just let it go on the first one and Prinsloo read it well. I can live with that.

Still finding pieces of the glass I threw when Genia box kicked that ball early in the game. That was something I'd expect from the USA scrumhalf.

 

[Scoey]

Luckily for Genia, Frisby left his brain in the change room. Just about had a stroke when he took 'that tap'. Frisby could go alright but he doesn't get anywhere near enough game time to develop. If we ever need to rely on him we're in trouble!


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[redstragic]

Turn over ball, on the front foot, and then the kick - where he stepped away from the back of the ruck to where there was no protection: woeful execution.

He just needs to put away the box kick on counters, it rarely works well for him now. More of a low percentage play than a percentage play.

The message must have gone out to stop the stupid kicks (Mikey put in a couple of those stupid chip as well) because they kicked a lot better in the 2nd half.

 

[RedsHappy]

I tell you who I thought was great in both attitude and outcomes, and great to seeing him being that: Beau!

Looked back to his 2011 best.

 

[redstragic]

I tell you who I thought was great in both attitude and outcomes, and great to seeing him being that: Beau!

Looked back to his 2011 best.

Love seeing the white haired thug hitting blokes. He was so strong over the ball. They can't move him.

 

[RedsHappy]

I'd like to know everyone's views on which 2014 Reds' games will be the real markers for how we're likely to stand at the end of the season.

My choices (other than v Brums and Tahs already played): Sharks, Rebels home and away, Crusaders, Blues, Highlanders (much improved this year), and Brums and Tahs again.

 

[RedsHappy]

....and, countering my Beau-love, I just do not get Harris
at 12.

Back up place kicker may be, and he does the occasional good thing, but his kicking from hand is always inconsistent in timing and placement, at best, just like his passing that can be woefully weak and misdirected, he rarely breaks tackles or evades slyly consistently setting up others, he's a journeyman player that I'm aghast we can't better by internal promotion or importing wisely. Such a crucial position.

 

[fatprop]

..and, countering my Beau-love, I just do not get Harris
at 12.

Back up place kicker may be, and he does the occasional good thing, but his kicking from hand is always inconsistent in timing and placement, at best, just like his passing that can be woefully weak and misdirected, he rarely breaks tackles or evades slyly consistently setting up others, he's a journeyman player that I'm aghast we can't better by internal promotion or importing wisely. Such a crucial position.

I think Harris is there to be the second playmaker that allows Cooper to take on the line a bit more and have Harris for that next phase and/or when the heat is on Cooper (as with the Tahs rusher at him), have that other option.

On internal promotion, who is the back up young 10 in development at the Reds?

 

[No4918]

Defence was praised just a few weeks ago vs the Brumbies. We have had 1 attacking game, 1 not show up game and 1 defensive game. The second was the loss we had to have. The first and third will be combined from here on and the Sharks will be rolled this week. The title is ours for the losing.

Seriously, it's not all bad. It has only been 3 weeks, the Crusaders don't have a win yet and I don't see anyone writing them off. As for the dynasty talk, rubbish. This is the toughest provincial comp and to make the finals 3 years running is a big achievement. I can only think of 2 other sides that have done the same. Things are a long way from going back to black days from 2005-2009.

 

[Ignoto]

On internal promotion, who is the back up young 10 in development at the Reds?

How young are you talking about? 25 we have Ben Lucas playing 10 in the Reds A team. Then even younger a lot of people are excited about a 19 year old called Sam Greene.

 

[djeff]

I've been watching replays of the linebreak leading up to the penalty try. That was a nicely worked move, excellent use of Davies pace to get him into the ball running channel from the right hand side of the field before the defenders could make adjustment.​

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I think in such a quick game, defence is always going to be an issue, tired legs and heaving lungs lead to missed tackles and slow realignment, especially at this end of the season. Reds showed against the brums that they can defend between the 15 yard lines, they just need to work on maintaining alignment, drifting and covering to ensure the edges of the field are well covered too.​

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For me, Slipper, Hanson and Holmes should be the starting front row and Davies. Turner should be locking down the wing spots.​

 

[the sabanator]

Frisby could go alright but he doesn't get anywhere near enough game time to develop. If we ever need to rely on him we're in trouble!

And this is the problem with Frisby. I think he has talent but he doesn't want to/hasn't harnessed it yet. What the Reds need is a decent back up scrumhalf so Genia has to pull his finger out during the super season. Thought he has looked average since 2011, but these first three games have been subpar for almost any halfback

 

[Brumby Runner]

The Good: Rob Simmons, Rod Davies, Chris Feaiua-Sautia, James Hanson

The Hit and Miss: Quade Cooper, Aiden Toua

The Bad: Will Genia (wallaby 9 is anyone's for the taking ATM)

Needs Improvement: Dom Shipperely, Jake Shatz

Leave Them Off the Field: Saia Fainga'a, Nick Frisby

Should Start Next Week: James Slipper at Tighthead.

The Stupid: 6:40pm start on a Friday, bloody outrageous.

Hard To Read: This thread! For fucksake, such a negative lot sometimes!

I do agree with most of these observations, but,

apart from the lineout, Simmons still has many more ineffectual than effective moments and gives away too many penalties; almost Mowen-like;

Rocket Rod is just an average Super player with a lot of pace;

Toua goes missing in defence, almost as much as Moggy;

Shipperly, like Davies, is just an average Super player. Reds need improved performances on the wing - missing Turner in this game;

Saia is as good as Hanson, just plays a different style of game;

Frisby is not up to standard at Super level;

not mentioned, but Robinson is also mostly ineffectual. Runs with vigour but very imprecise in his involvements;

Slipper desperately needed in the front row.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Defence was praised just a few weeks ago vs the Brumbies. We have had 1 attacking game, 1 not show up game and 1 defensive game. The second was the loss we had to have. The first and third will be combined from here on and the Sharks will be rolled this week. The title is ours for the losing.

Seriously, it's not all bad. It has only been 3 weeks, the Crusaders don't have a win yet and I don't see anyone writing them off. As for the dynasty talk, rubbish. This is the toughest provincial comp and to make the finals 3 years running is a big achievement. I can only think of 2 other sides that have done the same. Things are a long way from going back to black days from 2005-2009.

Think back to the Brumbies game. Turner stopped three tries by himself. Held up Mogg, and was last line of defence against Speight and Tomane on one occasion each. Also, iirc, there was another occasion the Brumbies got a maul over the line but didn't ground the ball. Without Turner in that game, the Reds defence would have been on par with last night's game, and it would have been a loss rather than a win. Reds fans need to hope Turner comes back fit and well and stays that way, because with Davies, Shipperley and Toua at the back they will leak a lot of tries.

 

[Ruggo]

What must be said is that the crowd around me generally loved the spectacle of all the tries and end-to-end play. Affirmed some elements of why there was 28,000 people there, which is and remains a huge positive for the QRU.

But that number is rooted in 2010-11's legacy; if we commence a road to mediocrity and continuous undelivered promises, we'll surely see crowd declines, and serious ones.

I agree with parts of what you are saying RH though I ask what do you see being the changes we need in the rugby being played? That is the problem with setting the standard that eventually your competitors catch up.

I don't think none of us will have the answers but feel free to chuck some ideas around as to how we can re-ignite our game on the paddock.

We miss a threatening ball runner. We miss both Samo and Higgers in this department. I respect our current back row but they need to diversify their games. The balance just isn't there at the moment. The structure in our phase play has become predictable. Keep the ball runners coming until we draw in line defenders. Not that threatening because we lack the damaging ball runner we need to threaten. We don't bend the line like we once did and Cooper is having to throw more high risk miracle passes out out wide. The link between forwards and backs is broken. I fear for this as for what a great player Genia can be at times, he has become an ever increasing egomaniac with a glass jaw. Take charge of your forwards FFS and stop kicking away attacking ball with your ever decaying kicking game. Frisby can be a bit unpolished but when he takes the field he does show the enthusiasm that we need and Genia isn't. Let's give Frisby a start.

That's my few little observations in what we lack.

 

[tigerland12]

I do agree with most of these observations, but,

apart from the lineout, Simmons still has many more ineffectual than effective moments and gives away too many penalties; almost Mowen-like;

Rocket Rod is just an average Super player with a lot of pace;

Toua goes missing in defence, almost as much as Moggy;

Shipperly, like Davies, is just an average Super player. Reds need improved performances on the wing - missing Turner in this game;

Saia is as good as Hanson, just plays a different style of game;

Frisby is not up to standard at Super level;

not mentioned, but Robinson is also mostly ineffectual. Runs with vigour but very imprecise in his involvements;

Slipper desperately needed in the front row.

For some who agrees with it there was a lot of disagreements there

 

[ChargerWA]

While watching the game, I did start think between the 15-35 min mark that the reds have an attitude problem. They seemed to go into slow motion just expecting something to happen for them. They lack urgency for whole sections of the game.

 

[Set piece magic]

Listening to the post match conference on YT and does anyone else think Quade is a much better speaker than he used to be

 

[gel]

I've watched that Genia box kick (it's been bugging me a bit) again this morning on the recording and the more I see it, the more I can't actually blame him for it at all.

Seriously, the cheetahs players are massively offside (11, 7 and 6 with 8 possibly as well) with 11 the worst offender (and consequently out of position - there is NO ONE back), we have just gained good field position from an intercept and a lightning ruck.

Rocket is on the starting blocks and has 6, 7 and 8 to try to chase him down.

If the cheetahs had bothered to even attempt to get onside, then that box kick was never going to be charged down and Rod Davies was over the try line before anyone even new what had happened. A pass was no option because Davies would have been tackled and isolated with a 6, 7 and 8 (the three worst numbers to be hovering over an isolated player) on the ball.

Sure, crucify Genia for some of the things this match, but having really absorbed what had happened, seriously it wasn't actually a poor option at all. If the cheetahs players were onside, we would all be praising his vision in a reds 2nd try scored by rocket at the 3:30 mark.

I find it a little hard to fault a guy for playing the game in manner where he expects the laws to actually be followed - particularly when the infringement is glaringly obvious, bordering on deliberate (seriously, they don't even try to get back on side).

Does any of that make sense???