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Reds vs Brumbies - Rd 5, 2015

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Bairdy

Peter Fenwicke (45)
But Alexander is a known quantity at test level. We know that when we play him, he is almost guaranteed to give away a yellow card or penalty try each year (v England 2014, v B & I Lions 2013 most recently)

He's our most capped tighthead, and yet I feel no more reassured having him play against a NZ, Saffer, or Pom loosehead than if we gambled on an unknown quantity.
 

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Dick Tooth (41)
Slim, as much as anything with Weeks he isn't going to carry the baggage at international level that Alexander - fairly or not - does.

Think he's got a better body shape for Test rugby. Wide as he is tall. Not as long as Alexander. Been around for a while, knows some tricks. Great club guy as well, teammates absolutely love him.

His lack of workrate and Test experience are pretty big factors that count against him though.
 

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
But Alexander is a known quantity at test level.


There's a few known quantities in our team, but unless we can actually play someone that's better it isn't going to reduce the liability..........

Weeks, Slipper, PAE in that order.


I'll take Weeks, but Slipper isn't going to play TH, and I haven't seen anything from PAE to suggest he's anywhere in contention............

TH and lock are still our most vulnerable positions, and despite a lot of people screaming about Alexander or Simmons or Carter etc. we still don't have the quality in depth to replace them...............
 

Bairdy

Peter Fenwicke (45)
I'll take Weeks, but Slipper isn't going to play TH, and I haven't seen anything from PAE to suggest he's anywhere in contention....

TH and lock are still our most vulnerable positions, and despite a lot of people screaming about Alexander or Simmons or Carter etc. we still don't have the quality in depth to replace them.....
Given Slipper has history playing tighthead in tests (as recently as 2012), moving him back to TH when we have burgeoning options at LH, and on the occasions when we are without 2 specialist tightheads in the 23 is on the cards.

Agree to disagree on PAE, and point taken on Australian depth at TH and lock, but I'll leave it there because we have already derailed this thread enough.
 
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I've actually been very impressed with the Rebels scrummaging this season, keep it up and a one or two of their props might be pressing for higher honours.
 

mst

Peter Johnson (47)
White was committed to the ruck when the incident occurred, just because you are wearing number 9 doesn't mean you can't be part of the ruck.

Correct - but it also doesn't mean that he wasn't playing halfback and stopped playing halfback.

White is clearly playing halfback, Lees awards the the penalty advantage (about 1 second after the screen shot below his arm goes out) for Reds playing the ball on the ground. Irrespective if legal or not, Gill and the White appear to have a 50/50 fight over the ball and White gets dragged forward against the ruck but retains the ball either in his hands or locked in at the base of the ruck. Gill has lost the ball then proceeds to play White who would still be the halfback as Gill cannot see if he has the ball or not.

See the video at the link below starting at 34 seconds http://www.theroar.com.au/tv/brumbies-hold-the-reds-scoreless-in-bonus-point-victory/

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Nah, white had joined the ruck.. Gill doesn't need to be able to see whether white is touching the ball or not, Gill can sense such things..

The WWE move Gill did was plain stupid, but the stupidity is because he put White in a dangerous position, not because he "played the halfback".

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Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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It was absolute stupidity from Gill. I'm very surprised he wasn't red carded. He'll surely get a minimum of 4 weeks suspension.

He might have had control of White as he picked him up, inverted him and slammed him down on his back but it would have only taken a bump from another player and it could have ended up catastrophically.
 

Chronicle

Chris McKivat (8)
"Dutton seems solely out to get Gill suspended for the rest of the year with this headline. Absolute garbage from the Brumbies fanboy."

White makes it clear in the article there is no comparison between the two incidents. really is a case of association by media.
That said it was a dangerous and reckless act by Gill and should deserve some punishment but is totally out of character for him. They have to deal with their frustrations within the laws of the game.
 

Hound

Bill Watson (15)
After the Gill brain snap. The try by Ben A, Was that a double movement? His momentum didn't seem to propel him over the line. The ball had hit the ground and then he lifted his arm to get the ball over the line. Not that it made any difference.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
Dutton seems solely out to get Gill suspended for the rest of the year with this headline. Absolute garbage from the Brumbies fanboy.

http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/rugby...x-mckinnons-career-20150315-144d8m.touch.html
No help needed from anybody for a suspension.

It's a pretty obvious ban.

You can't lift someone legs above their head and slam them down on their head.

Lifting someone like that is actually very easy and should be discouraged at all cost. I have seen a player get hurt badly with exactly the same throw in my playing days. It's not pretty.
 
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2 week ban..
http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...elease-Liam-Gill-suspended-for-two-weeks.aspx


"After taking all relevant facts into consideration, I found the incident to have a lower end entry point for breaching of 10.4 (j) Lifting Tackle which stipulates a four-week suspension.

"The incident was indeed a lifting tackle, but given its unusual features, referred to hereafter more fully, it did not warrant an increase from the entry level sanction to serve as a deterrent, which would have been the case had it been the more usual type of tip tackling, performed on a player running with the ball.

"The lifting tackle in this case occurred in a ruck when the player pulled his opponent, who was lying over the ball, out of the ruck, lifted and turned him through the horizontal over his hip causing his opponent to cart wheel before hitting the ground. The player conceded that the lifting and turning his smaller opponent in this manner placed the opponent at risk of serious injury. The player stated he acted out of frustration and 'instinctively' in his attempts to contest for the ball.

"The tackle was reckless, carried with it a real risk of serious injury, but at the same time was not the normal type of lifting tackling referred to above in which the players' momentum adds to the danger. In this case his opponent did not land on his head as a result of the player twisting and throwing the player over his hip, causing his opponent to fall on his side. There was no driving of the player into the ground nor total disregard for his opponent's safety. The tackled player was able to continue playing after the incident.

"The player received a yellow card and his side conceded a try in the same phase as the incident and another while he was off the field. His actions and subsequent sanction significantly disadvantaged his team at an important time in the match.

"Mitigating factors taken into account for determining final sanction include the player admitted the offence. He has an exemplary disciplinary record having never been cited before and has represented Australia at both U20 and Test level. His contribution to rugby in general has been outstanding and he clearly expressed remorse for committing the offence and for having tarnished his record with this incident. I considered a 50 per cent reduction in suspension was appropriate after taking these mitigating factors into account. As a result, a two-week sanction was considered to be appropriate.


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Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
Effectively one week is fairly ridiculous, for what should have been a red card in game + at least a couple on the sideline.

Sooner they get rid of "mitigating" factors the better for the credibility of the judiciary and counting byes is a farce on its own.
 
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