Reds v Rebels, Super Rugby Round 16, 1 June 2013

[Bullrush]

That match told the story I thought. Quade was both brilliant and a villain at the same time. JOC (James O'Connor) was invisible but consistent and made 0 errors, just what Deans wants. Cooper gave away 14 points which is completely unacceptable but looked miles ahead of O'Connor when directing the Reds around the park and penetrating the Rebels line.

I am convinced now that under Deans as a coach, Quade should not be the starting flyhalf. If we are going to play conservative rugby then his errors will not be countered by the things that he can pull off because the wallabies will not be playing the high risk high reward style of rugby. You can say what you want but the reds still won that match.

Also interesting to note that hegarty played at 10 when came on and O'Connor went to 15.

I don't think it's just under Deans Cooper would be left out. He was very very poor tonite and no good international coach wants a guy who makes as many costly errors as what Quade can and does make.

 

[Shiggins]

Are you high?

He has too be. Surely.

 

[USARugger]

O'Connor was so anonymous that I couldn't help but notice how shockingly anonymous he was. He is not a 10, much less a test 10. Period.

 

[redstragic]

O'Connor was so anonymous that I couldn't help but notice how shockingly anonymous he was. He is not a 10, much less a test 10. Period.

Funny thing though, he was at 15 more than Quade was right from the kickoff. Not sure how it looked on TV but being there i really noticed it.

 

[USARugger]

Funny thing though, he was at 15 more than Quade was right from the kickoff. Not sure how it looked on TV but being there i really noticed it.

I was right there. I don't think he defended in the line once. He was also shit returning it from the back as well.

 

[lewisr]

I don't think it's just under Deans Cooper would be left out. He was very very poor tonite and no good international coach wants a guy who makes as many costly errors as what Quade can and does make.

Sure but I reckon there would be a fair few international coaches who would've wanted his try, passes, attacking kicks and ability to take on the line. I am not saying that excuses his costly errors but its amazing how he can go from a stumbling fool to a genius in the same half. I was at the game and the crowd swapped from head in hands to praising him about 5 times in the match. But I tell you what, they were bloody well entertained.

O'Connor was invisible for the 80 and showed no enterprise at flyhalf. So I have nothing negative or positive to say about him.

 

[redstragic]

I don't think it's just under Deans Cooper would be left out. He was very very poor tonite and no good international coach wants a guy who makes as many costly errors as what Quade can and does make.

Just so long as the international coach only watched the first half and cherry picked other reds games and only watched Quade mistakes.

What was the game where he dropped it cold a few times and Jones benched him, then they put the mistakes to Benny hill music?

 

[lewisr]

Funny thing though, he was at 15 more than Quade was right from the kickoff. Not sure how it looked on TV but being there i really noticed it.

Don't know about that, he was up in the line a fair bit but its funny how a 20 year old league convert is preferred at 10 to the wallabies flyhalf in waiting...

 

[KevinO]

Don't know about that, he was up in the line a fair bit but its funny how a 20 year old league convert is preferred at 10 to the wallabies flyhalf in waiting.

Because he is a team played who just works on doing the basics right. JOC (James O'Connor) is a individual who seems to have lost the respect of a lot of people.

 

[USARugger]

Don't know about that, he was up in the line a fair bit but its funny how a 20 year old league convert is preferred at 10 to the wallabies flyhalf in waiting.

No he wasn't. He was at the back almost all game, our stand was quite vocal about it.

 

[Scoey]

Weirdest game ever.

 

[lewisr]

No he wasn't. He was at the back almost all game, our stand was quite vocal about it.

Lol you weren't the Red monks were you? Those blokes were hilarious.

 

[redveincheese]

Quade is not going to be picked in the 6 going like this.

Quade is never going to be picked this year , Deans is a useless pussy

 

[lewisr]

O'Connor was so anonymous that I couldn't help but notice how shockingly anonymous he was. He is not a 10, much less a test 10. Period.

Lol quade was a better playmaker for the rebels than O'Connor was.

 

[Tangawizi]

That match really turned on its head when Higgers went off busted and Link countered by sending on Gill & Saia.

Reds completely dominant from then on.

Reds go 6 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss at home in 2013. Solid results.

 

[redveincheese]

Ignorant crowd.

WTF is with all the hate directed at the fans. These are people who pay go and see their team play. Who gives a f*ck if they boo at whatever. They are passionate for their team and can do what they want. I never see reds fans on this forum bag opposition crowds( one exception being tahs fans booing their own team). Having a go at people that support the game is ignorance in the extreme and uncalled for.

 

[cyclopath]

WTF is with all the hate directed at the fans. These are people who pay go and see their team play. Who gives a f*ck if they boo at whatever. They are passionate for their team and can do what they want. I never see reds fans on this forum bag opposition crowds( one exception being tahs fans booing their own team). Having a go at people that support the game is ignorance in the extreme and uncalled for. Grow up or f#ck off.

Dealing in absolutes is fraught with disaster. Never? OK.
In any event, by all means disagree with the quoted poster, but don't tell people to fuck off.

 

[Ash]

I think that Cooper is easily the best playmaker going round in Aus right now, but he still needs to temper the mistakes. If you took out those two charge downs, most would say that he had a good game tempered by an aimless kick or two. The second charge down just shouldn't have happened, was a poor shank with little pressure. Those two mistakes would be too much in an international game.

Meanwhile, JOC (James O'Connor) is a great runner of the ball, both in space and in tight. Yet, he doesn't have a lot of vision and he doesn't have the ability to run a back line. Both may come, but he's not an above average Supe 10 yet, let alone a test 10. Maybe he will suit a conservative Deans game plan, if the ball will barely it past the 12. Apart from a dropped ball it was a mistake free game from JOC (James O'Connor), but it was also inspiration free.

Messy first half, last half an hour was all the Reds. Some key injuries to the Rebels and the Reds bench made a much, much bigger impact. Before that it was a bit of an arm wrestle. The turf didn't help - seemed to be a complete mess and torn up by everything.

After a few good games where their attack scored some nice tries, the Rebels really didn't look like scoring much apart from the two Cooper errors. JOC (James O'Connor) made a few half breaks individually but didn't get his backline humming; he spent more time at fullback than Cooper it seemed.

Reds looked the better team in the second half, they woke up and it was largely one way traffic. Reds won that in the last 30 minutes, I can't see how the Rebels threw it away.

Sadly for the Wallabies, Higgers looks tragically gone despite (far and away) being the form 8 for us, Pyle (although he probably wouldn't have been called up) could be gone but it only looked like a bad stinger, and JOC (James O'Connor) really unimpressed with his game at 10 apart from a few half breaks himself.

The only nice part was seeing Genia get his mojo back in the second half.

 

[redveincheese]

Dealing in absolutes is fraught with disaster. Never? OK.
In any event, by all means disagree with the quoted poster, but don't tell people to fuck off.

Point taken, I respectfully withdraw my last sentence and apologise.

 

[sootyanddave]

Sure but I reckon there would be a fair few international coaches who would've wanted his try, passes, attacking kicks and ability to take on the line. I am not saying that excuses his costly errors but its amazing how he can go from a stumbling fool to a genius in the same half. I was at the game and the crowd swapped from head in hands to praising him about 5 times in the match. But I tell you what, they were bloody well entertained.

O'Connor was invisible for the 80 and showed no enterprise at flyhalf. So I have nothing negative or positive to say about him.

You seriously want to talk about Quade's kicking game tonight?