Reds v. Crusaders, May 29th, Suncorp - 2011R15

[ACT Crusader]

Scrum penalty - Daley dropped the bind then scrummed in and under Frank.
Ruck penalty - could have been for multiple offences, Crusader not rolling away, second tackler stepping past the ball and collapsing to seal off, McCaw coming from the side. It was however given for hands in the ruck by MCCaw who said their was no ruck because the Crusaders had collapsed it.

So which is it Gnostic. Stu believed there was still a ruck so your "collapsed argument" doesn't hold, does it?

 

[Gnostic]

So which is it Gnostic. Stu believed there was still a ruck so your "collapsed argument" doesn't hold, does it?

Have a look at the vast majority of Rucks, the ball and everyone there is on the ground. Nobody except the half back can reach in and pick up the ball and every one has to be behind the hindmost foot. McCaw was unbound and played the ball with his hands and he was penalised. The fact that he could also have been penalised for entering from the side and the Saders for going off the feet were just icing on the cake. There will be lots of argument about it but that is just one against him who usually gets away with half a dozen blatant illegalities per game, the fact that it cost the game has nothing to do with it.

 

[Tordah]

Sore loser, bet if roles were reversed, you'd post 'brilliant work again by NZ forwards, skillfully setting up the Reds into error at the breakdown'. I recoil at this basic lack of acceptance of a result, and 'we wos robbed by the ref' starts all over again, which frankly is a perennial blight on rugby. If QC (Quade Cooper) had kicked near his average %, there'd be no opportunity for poor sportsmanship on this site, the result would have been less fine, and this is a site which typically recognizes the enormous talent and skill of NZ rugby.

Nah, if the roles were reversed I'd laugh at that bad performance from Stewie and thank him for helping out the Saders. :fishing: And there'd be a lot of Reds fans pretty pissed off, I reckon - and rightly so.

 

[sevenpointdropgoal]

I though it was a fantastic game. Tight as a nun's sphincter, but really enjoyable rugby. I thought the Reds deserved the win, though possibly not the final penalty.

 

[ACT Crusader]

Have a look at the vast majority of Rucks, the ball and everyone there is on the ground. Nobody except the half back can reach in and pick up the ball and every one has to be behind the hindmost foot. McCaw was unbound and played the ball with his hands and he was penalised. The fact that he could also have been penalised for entering from the side and the Saders for going off the feet were just icing on the cake. There will be lots of argument about it but that is just one against him who usually gets away with half a dozen blatant illegalities per game, the fact that it cost the game has nothing to do with it.

Agree with the bold, and don't have an issue with it being called at the 79th minute, if that is what the ref sees. But again the McCaw special treatment hyperbole. Samo got away with all sorts tonight, namely just floppng onto the Saders side of the ruck. Beau still had hands on ball when he was clearly lifted off his feet at a ruck etc etc etc. But I don't think they get special treatment, as McCaw doesn't either. They just play.

I personally thought the fact that Franks had driven over the ball on his feet and then fallen (which was allowed throughout the game in both attacking rucks and counters) and no one else appeared to be there on their feet, with the ball now on the Saders side would make the ball now playable. So when McCaw charged in it was to grab the ball "that was now out".

 

[Sandpit Fan]

But again the McCaw special treatment hyperbole. Samo got away with all sorts tonight, namely just floppng onto the Saders side of the ruck. Beau still had hands on ball when he was clearly lifted off his feet at a ruck etc etc etc. But I don't think they get special treatment, as McCaw doesn't either. They just play.

Yep, fair call I reckon. We have moaned about McCaw getting away with it for years, so it's a bit rich to harp on when we have 2 of our guys managing to do exactly the same thing. If you're not getting blown for it, full speed ahead boys!

 

[biggsy]

again thanks Richie, you should have listen in the 1st half when you had a talking. He got what was coming for him.... Suck it up, what goes around comes around and he was warned.

 

[Gnostic]

That sort of dribble doesn't help those of us who actually try to make a reasoned point Biggsy.

 

[vidiot]

I personally thought the fact that Franks had driven over the ball on his feet and then fallen (which was allowed throughout the game in both attacking rucks and counters) and no one else appeared to be there on their feet, with the ball now on the Saders side would make the ball now playable. So when McCaw charged in it was to grab the ball "that was now out".

Ioane.

 

[cyclopath]

Ioane.

Wis I'd recorded it to have another look. Oh well, I'm sure someone will post a link to a video some time soon.

 

[chief]

Dickinson could have also binned a Crusader, he gave a warning, and they continued- had that warning been after half time I would have suspected a card to have come out. By my count there were 15 penalties blown against the Crusaders tonight (my count is probably wrong), and only one of those penalties was from a scrum.

It's just a shame, that such a great game like what we all saw today, has to be mired by the referees performance and by a 50/50 penalty. It was a great game of Rugby, and a tense game.

If anything I think we (Australian fans) should be grateful that Australia has a number 8 in Radike Samo that matched by far and away the best in world rugby right now (Kieran Read). It shows that this years 3 Nations, could be a successful series, if Robbie Deans picks the right players for the job.

 

[Gnostic]

Can I agree to the power of n chief.

 

[ACT Crusader]

Where's all the technocrats (scarfy, gagger) we need some footage

 

[vidiot]

Where's all the technocrats (scarfy, gagger) we need some footage

Meh, too much effort. Sick of the issue anyway, was a very entertaining game and loved watching the crusaders swarm and cooper wriggle.

 

[biggsy]

So whats your reasoned point.

Didn't you watch the game.

McCaw, whose side was punished by Australian referee Stu Dickinson for ill-discipline throughout, was left to rue his lapse that ultimately cost his side the match.

 

[tranquility]

They would be kidding themselves if they did!

keep me coming reddy.

 

[disco]

Don't know what Stu's call was on the scrum penalty against the Reds & I don't know what his call was on Richie at the breakdown but from what I saw I felt he got them both wrong so they even out after 80 minutes.

If these penalties had happened in the 1st 5 rather than the last 5 would they get a mention?

Cop it sweet Richie I was there when Stephen Donald & co were lying all over the ball in 2008 to win the tri-nations sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

 

[ACT Crusader]

Don't know what Stu's call was on the scrum penalty against the Reds & I don't know what his call was on Richie at the breakdown but from what I saw I felt he got them both wrong so they even out after 80 minutes.

If these penalties had happened in the 1st 5 rather than the last 5 would they get a mention?

Cop it sweet Richie I was there when Stephen Donald & co were lying all over the ball in 2008 to win the tri-nations sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

I don't think he complained about it after the match, even though Canno was baiting him.

Whether or not it happening in the first 5min or last 5mins, fans will always find ways to complain about stuff

 

[Gnostic]

Very interesting sidebar about this thread. Look at what a side playing well gets. 23 pages of passioned comment. Look at the Tahs thread which was just as close a game. Struggles to raise 8 pages for the second week in a row. There it is in spades, a team executing skills well, playing with passion and commitment engages its fans, they pay to go to the games, they buy merchandise, they buy papers and talk about the team. That pleases sponsors.

Contrast a side with cold professionalism, poor skills and no respect for their fans can barely get comment on their games even from feral fans such as ourselves. The Reds are the Blueprint that all other RU boards in Oz should be looking at. That is not to say they should lose their own style of play, but instead need to execute some basic skills and be truly passionate and engage their fans.

 

[Gnostic]

So whats your reasoned point.

Didn't you watch the game.

McCaw, whose side was punished by Australian referee Stu Dickinson for ill-discipline throughout, was left to rue his lapse that ultimately cost his side the match.

My reasoned points have been stated many times. Your comments are poor fishing attempts to get responses. They do nothing to encourage true debate on how many of us think the tactics used by the Crusaders and ABs have been illegal for a long time.