Reds 2022

[sunnyboys]

The ruck is probably an area WR (World Rugby) needs to actually address if they're going to keep rolling out player welfare lines.

Trying to 'pilfer' the ball has become all too common of 'sealing' off the tackled player and the defender makes no real attempt to win the ball. Additionally, defenders now fully cover the ball, duck their necks resulting in their head being the lowest and furthest part of their body.

I'd say WR (World Rugby) needs to issue guidelines that a defender needs to keep their head up and leave a gap between the tackled player and themselves. This then gives the attacking team something to aim at when they do a clean out.

In this particular instance, I'd argue Brown was so far forward that he wasn't even maintaining his body weight.

Right knee is resting on the tackled player and both hands are on the ground supporting his weight.

With the placement being so far away from the defender, Brown should have stepped over the tackled player, but he went to go as low as he could and paint a picture of stealing the ball.

and step to the side a bit to avoid hitting him front on and you get pinged for side entry.

 

[PhilClinton]

Unproven at high level rugby union for $900K a year is a bitter pill to swallow. Could have given 300 to the reds under 20 program and still got a good winger for the other 600 I am sure.

Originally reported figures of $900k seem to be incorrect, I thought the same but was shown otherwise on these threads.

Moreso to the tune of $600k. Makes it a bit easier to justify.

 

[LeCheese]

The ruck is probably an area WR (World Rugby) needs to actually address if they're going to keep rolling out player welfare lines.

Trying to 'pilfer' the ball has become all too common of 'sealing' off the tackled player and the defender makes no real attempt to win the ball. Additionally, defenders now fully cover the ball, duck their necks resulting in their head being the lowest and furthest part of their body.

I'd say WR (World Rugby) needs to issue guidelines that a defender needs to keep their head up and leave a gap between the tackled player and themselves. This then gives the attacking team something to aim at when they do a clean out.

In this particular instance, I'd argue Brown was so far forward that he wasn't even maintaining his body weight.

Right knee is resting on the tackled player and both hands are on the ground supporting his weight.

With the placement being so far away from the defender, Brown should have stepped over the tackled player, but he went to go as low as he could and paint a picture of stealing the ball.

This is the main problem I have with the 'incident' and similar rulings as well - your options for quickly and effectively removing the player going for the ball are very limited when they are positioned as Brown is. I 100% support player welfare and safety being at the forefront of decision making, and for the rules and governance to reflect this, but a greater onus of responsibility (and improved guidelines) has to be on the attacking player to help prevent these situations.

It's a shame that we're very likely going to lose Tupou for something that was dealt with very decisively on field (looking at that screen grab, Murph couldn't have been positioned any better to get a good view) - especially considering if a penalty or yellow had been given, there's less chance that it would've been cited by SANZAAR.

 

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Originally reported figures of $900k seem to be incorrect, I thought the same but was shown otherwise on these threads.

Moreso to the tune of $600k. Makes it a bit easier to justify.

With the numbers a lot of these players are pulling out of the coffers it would be a shame if they could see it in their make up to leave a bit in the game to strengthen it.

I know there is an argument about longevity and competition with Mungo ball.

If these fellas want to make a lifetime earning off 6 - 10 years then they need a wake up call. The rest of the world works for about 45 years before we get to retire.

 

[LeCheese]

With the numbers a lot of these players are pulling out of the coffers it would be a shame if they could see it in their make up to leave a bit in the game to strengthen it.

I know there is an argument about longevity and competition with Mungo ball.

If these fellas want to make a lifetime earning off 6 - 10 years then they need a wake up call. The rest of the world works for about 45 years before we get to retire.

Most professions aren't running the risk of CTE or serious injury... you can absolutely understand the desire to make as much as you can in 5-10yrs. Also it's not like most guys go and retire onto yacht and live out the rest of their days - retiring from professional sport usually doesn't mean exiting the workforce. Have a search for some former players' names on LinkedIn, you might be surprised what you find.

 

[eastman]

Unproven at high level rugby union for $900K a year is a bitter pill to swallow. Could have given 300 to the reds under 20 program and still got a good winger for the other 600 I am sure.

You do realise that our current top wing is also a rugby league convert who had even less 15s experience?

 

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You do realise that our current top wing is also a rugby league convert who had even less 15s experience?

Who ? Kellaway?

 

[Derpus]

Most professions aren't running the risk of CTE or serious injury... you can absolutely understand the desire to make as much as you can in 5-10yrs. Also it's not like most guys go and retire onto yacht and live out the rest of their days - retiring from professional sport usually doesn't mean exiting the workforce. Have a search for some former players' names on LinkedIn, you might be surprised what you find.

They don't need to justify how much they earn. If someone is willing to pay, that's what they are worth.

You could reasonably question RAs decision, but given the success of MK it didn't seem like a huge gamble that such an athletic and capable finisher would adapt well. And the early signs were good.

Serious or long-term injury to players is a risk with any contract. RA lost on this one.

 

[Tomikin]

They don't need to justify how much they earn. If someone is willing to pay, that's what they are worth.

You could reasonably question RAs decision, but given the success of MK it didn't seem like a huge gamble that such an athletic and capable finisher would adapt well. And the early signs were good.

Serious or long-term injury to players is a risk with any contract. RA lost on this one.

Lost so fair, if he can get fit he will be an awesome player..

 

[PhilClinton]

Lost so fair, if he can get fit he will be an awesome player..

Yes but the problem is it'll end up as a net loss even if he comes back this season as an awesome player, because I doubt he can stick around.

The noise coming from the NRL is deafening, every second article is about teams hunting him. I'd say the scales have tipped 75/25 with him in favour of going back to league. It would be negligent of RA to offer him a top up based on his lack of game time and I feel like the money they had set aside for him may have gone to Perese, as he likely wasn't in their retention plans this whole time.

The only reason I think the Reds still hold a 25% chance is the carrot of playing at a RWC next year. Maybe he will take a cheaper 1 year deal to have a chance at playing in that tournament, possibly he could negotiate his league contract from 2024, they aren't adverse to signing players that far out.

 

[sunnyboys]

The QLD system hasn't feed a lot of back 3 talent into the Reds recently - not like 9, 12/13, and forwards. Flook, Creighton etc are all helping out but were recruited as midfield or inside backs. even Petaia was a 13.

we must be due for cracking good 15 to come through. same for the wings.

 

[Adam84]

The standard of ruck work in Europe v Aus/NZ is stark.

Up north they are staying on their feet and driving through. Aus and NZ rucks are largely operating at below hip level.

Northern refs will judge our teams very differently.

Tupou needs to stop these low level clear outs where the main impact area is the head. Its just just too risky.

But beyond tupou its an area that all Oz teams need to learn the new way.

NH rugby has caught up, and overtaken Antipodean rugby. we need to catch up. Bok have the advantage of playing in NH. they will keep up.

100% the ruck work through the 6 Nations has been outstanding compared to the Super Rugby Pacific, both Kiwi and Oz teams have fallen behind I think.

 

[RugbyReg]

The QLD system hasn't feed a lot of back 3 talent into the Reds recently - not like 9, 12/13, and forwards. Flook, Creighton etc are all helping out but were recruited as midfield or inside backs. even Petaia was a 13.

we must be due for cracking good 15 to come through. same for the wings.

And he shalt be named Floyd and he shalt be named Aubrey. And is name will be Floyd Aubrey.

 

[sunnyboys]

And he shalt be named Floyd and he shalt be named Aubrey. And is name will be Floyd Aubrey.

yes i have heard the whispers...

 

[TSR]

Does that mean Petaia has to change positions again?

 

[Wilson]

Reds upping the marketing effort for heritage round:

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[Wilson]

McDermott is back

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505857080107757570

Anyone heard anything about Tupou's trip to the judiciary?

 

[Adam84]

McDermott is back

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505857080107757570

Anyone heard anything about Tupou's trip to the judiciary?

Nah it was 6PM tonight, but knowing those useless pricks it’ll probably take 3 hours to make a decision

 

[Wilson]

Nah it was 6PM tonight, but knowing those useless pricks it’ll probably take 3 hours to make a decision

I assume he's copping the early guilty plea - usually there's a lot more noise if it's contested.

I guess it takes a bit of time to reduce the standard 6 weeks down to a tackling clinic and missing out on a few weeknight games of touch football so he's good to go for Saturday.

 

[PhilClinton]

I assume he's copping the early guilty plea - usually there's a lot more noise if it's contested.

I guess it takes a bit of time to reduce the standard 6 weeks down to a tackling clinic and missing out on a few weeknight games of touch football so he's good to go for Saturday.

Early guilty plea on an action he was deemed not guilty of during the game? It’s against the vibe.