Reds 2020

[PhilClinton]

Makes sense. If you have a listen to Eddie Jones on the Ruckus podcast, he mentioned the need for todays managers to be more of a 'people' manager i.e. throwing an arm around their shoulders and help them through the problem rather than yell and berate them to do better.

The role of a rugby coach/manager in the modern game is definitely evolving but its a fine line. At the end of the day they're employed by the team to get the best results, not by the players to be their mate. But it's a bit of chicken before the egg type scenario because without the players, there is no team.

Problem being in the modern game if the player thinks their coach is a prick, it's so easy for them to pack their bags and play elsewhere at the end of their contract, or mid-contract as we are seeing. Again in my opinion it harks back to some of the 'pathways' these young guys are put on, whereby they're made to feel so important that any inconvenience is deemed a contract breaking offence.

 

[dru]

Problem being in the modern game if the player thinks their coach is a prick

AS someone who had real concerns with how Thorn handled Cooper, the whole saga of Rodda not getting along with Thorn rang rang alarm bells. But as with much current reporting there was nothing solid, even if suspicions were high. Since then however Thorn has come out quite clearly speaking to the contrary. I think he has easily earned the respect to be accepted at face value. I put it to fake news.

 

[wamberal]

AS someone who had real concerns with how Thorn handled Cooper, the whole saga of Rodda not getting along with Thorn rang rang alarm bells. But as with much current reporting there was nothing solid, even if suspicions were high. Since then however Thorn has come out quite clearly speaking to the contrary. I think he has easily earned the respect to be accepted at face value. I put it to fake news.

I thought the Reds were super-impressive way back when. I suppose my view would be that the coach is always right. There are very few head coaches who have done what Thorn has done. I particularly liked the way that he put the hard yards in to become an AB, no short-cuts, no special deals. There is no way that a player as talented but erratic as Cooper would have been an AB, unless he was prepared to accept some pretty strict guidelines as to how he played. Obviously Quade has never been one for guidelines.


In Brad we trust!!!!

 

[RugbyReg]

What’s the go with Dave Alred still on the books and not Pete Ryan? Have a look at the Reds Insta page. You would think that Pete would bring more benefit working with the whole team instead of Alred working with what looks like 4 kickers- JOC (James O'Connor), Hegarty, Gordon and Campbell.

it's an excellent point. Maybe they are getting private training???

 

[TSR]

Problem being in the modern game if the player thinks their coach is a prick, it's so easy for them to pack their bags and play elsewhere at the end of their contract, or mid-contract as we are seeing. Again in my opinion it harks back to some of the 'pathways' these young guys are put on, whereby they're made to feel so important that any inconvenience is deemed a contract breaking offence.

Certainly it’s a balance act PC. I am often critical of the way that some young athletes are put in pedestals and pandered to and the type of person that evolves out of that (although my observations are more based on school aged sports ‘stars’ then older athletes).

I reflect again that these guys really are very young and don’t have much life experience to reflect on. Maybe Rodda did Initially get the shits over the captaincy or maybe he has financial obligations which made the pay decrease particularly hard to swallow. I know that the impact of COVID has been widespread - but if he was under real financial stress it would have been tough for him to see past that. Maybe he just had someone in his ear telling him he deserved better (could be the agent, but could easily be someone else).

In any case, he is young and possibly didn’t think through his actions in full and now has had second thoughts.

All pure speculation on my part, of course, and maybe he isn’t waivering at all, but I do hope that if he has changed his mind everyone can sit down, work it out and get him back on the books. Not really because he is such a good player - although he is - but also because making mistakes is part of life and I don’t see any value here in being hard nosed.

 

[wamberal]

We are in uncharted waters at the moment, nothing like Covid-19 has happened in peacetime since the Spanish Flu epidemic.


It is not much of a surprise that young professional athletes are stumbling around a bit, trying to work out what the future holds. Nobody knows. Well very few.

 

[RedsHappy]

Interesting:

We understandably talk of the post-COVID difficulties that our players will/may now have in gaining decent overseas offers..........and then today we learn - gobsmacked - that I Perese has a new contract with Bayonne at $300,000 pa and the local court here has let him off his parole period - he's been resentenced - and he's off to France 'and there to continue his bible studies'.

Just wow.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/true...e/news-story/c26a923f34072af38b526f720a157ccd

 

[Derpus]

Kinda glad that bloke has jogged on.

 

[Getwithme]

Kinda glad that bloke has jogged on.

absolute clown seen him on the circuit in Brisbane and not even his friends could silence that idiot

 

[Finsbury Girl]

I'm no lawyer but shouldn't these rules have come into play here:

4.9 Approaches to Contract Players or other Contracted Person [7]
4.9.1 No Union, Rugby Body, Club, Agent or any other Person or entity, whether acting on its own account or on behalf of any third party, shall approach (or accept an approach by or on behalf of) any Contract Player or other Contracted Person who has a written agreement with a Union, Rugby Body or Club to induce or attempt to induce such Contract Player or Contracted Person to leave their Union, Rugby Body or Club unless (i) the prior written consent of that Union, Rugby Body or Club has been obtained; or (ii) such approach is made in the final six month period before the expiry of, or the next option/break clause in, such a written agreement.
4.9.2 Alleged breaches of Regulation 4.9.1 will be dealt with in accordance with Regulation 18 (and in the case of Agents, Regulation 5) and may result in the imposition of the penalties set out in Regulation 18.6.1 (and in the case of Agents, in Regulation 5.1.10).

 

[Derpus]

Probably, but what are you gunna do?

Submit a complaint i guess, which will get filed right here:

Court wouldn't be worth the money - nothing to be gained.

 

[upthereds#!]

Alred has quite a lot of irons in the fire - perhaps he was happy to do less for less.

Ryan - perhaps not.

 

[Ronald Reagan]

And Clancy from BBC, forget his surname. Surely he’s 2.10? Where’s he playing?

15C’s at Grammar

 

[Bobby Sands]

Mac utterly dominant in the derby last year.

Update: On closer inspection, this is one of the truly dominant games of rugby I have seen at this level. Factor in that this is the biggest game for these two schools, he made about 5 breaks and scored two trys - including the match winner. He reclaimed his own grubber off the kick-off, didn't miss a tackle, counter-rucked and kicked 4-5 times (the weakest part of his game on this day).

He threw one pill over the sideline, but to be honest the shape of the pass was great and the option was on - so I don't see that as a negative.

Downlands had also not won this fixture for about 5 years.

 

[RugbyReg]

anyone participating in the Reds Member forum on Wednesday?

 

[redstragic]

anyone participating in the Reds Member forum on Wednesday?

I was thinking about it but have to go in to work now. Not sure how candid they can be, the email they sent out to members last week just said they are working towards decisions about the future. I wondered what the purpose of it was other than to remind us they still exist given the NRL were about to restart.

It's a tough situation and all I want is to be able to cheer on the Reds. Just hope a real, long term competition can be created. Remember watching the Reds pre Super Rugby where they played some touring team every weekend?, we wouldn't even have this.

 

[Muzza]

Im surprised no one has picked this up with all the doom and gloom going on. something positive


When the Junior Wallabies went within one point of a maiden under-20s World Cup last year, the hope was that Australian rugby was on the cusp of a golden new generation.
A historic seven-year drought-breaking 18-14 win by Australia's Schoolboys over New Zealand across the ditch reinforced the feeling the pathways were working and there was light at the end of a 17-year Bledisloe Cup black tunnel.
Now, two of the most exciting prospects in Australian rugby, Isaac Lucas and Harry Hockings, as well as a third established young Wallaby, Izack Rodda, are all but guaranteed to head overseas after their contracts were terminated by opting not to sign Rugby Australia's player pay cuts during COVID-19.

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Yet last year's Junior Wallabies captain, Fraser McReight, who has been picked in Dave Rennie's Players of National Interest squad despite playing just 121 minutes of Super Rugby, believes the future remains bright.

Fraser McReight takes a run for the Queensland Reds against the Bulls earlier this year. (AAP)

"We have Scott Johnson, who's pretty much new as director of rugby, three new Wallaby coaches and we have pretty much a brand new younger generation coming through. I played with the under-20s, but even the 18s, I think Australian rugby's definitely in the right direction," McReight told Wide World of Sports.
"Obviously, we have a new interim CEO and a new chairman-elect too, so there's lots of changes happening as well, but that's not a negative thing, I think change is good.
"That's why I'm stoked to be a part of Australian rugby.
"I get to see the next generation of awesome footballers hopefully bring glory back to Australian rugby and then watch the code recover from where it is right now to back to where it was. That's what I aspire to."

 

[Bobby Sands]

Fraser is a star in every sense of the word. A natural skip.

 

[Finsbury Girl]

Probably, but what are you gunna do?



Submit a complaint i guess, which will get filed right here:

Court wouldn't be worth the money - nothing to be gained.

In the very least we could stop people who break the rules for being licensed agents in our game.

 

[wamberal]

In the very least we could stop people who break the rules for being licensed agents in our game.

Which would probably also end up in court. Or be circumvented one way or another. At the end of the day, the best thing for the game is probably to retain the players who want to play their rugby here, and give them preference in selection for the national team.


Not much point trying to keep players here against what they might perceive are their best interests. As I have said before: if they want to get paid more money, fine, they can go to play out an anonymous career.