Reds 2018

[Sully]

I want Brad Thorn to be the Reds coach but I don't think 2018 is the right time for him to step up.
We need major, and I mean MAJOR, improvements in defence, we need to stop giving away penalties and stop collecting Reds and yellows.

 

[Strewthcobber]

I want Brad Thorn to be the Reds coach but I don't think 2018 is the right time for him to step up.
We need major, and I mean MAJOR, improvements in defence, we need to stop giving away penalties and stop collecting Reds and yellows.

Can a) be done with Kerevi on the field?

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[TSR]

I want Brad Thorn to be the Reds coach but I don't think 2018 is the right time for him to step up.
We need major, and I mean MAJOR, improvements in defence, we need to stop giving away penalties and stop collecting Reds and yellows.

Spot on.

All this + much better kick chase.

 

[TOCC]

Can a) be done with Kerevi on the field?

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Bloody oath... Queenslands defensive record had terrible statistics across the whole park, not just Kerevi but Paia'aua as well. The team was playing to a horrible defensive pattern and technique, and for Kerevi, this has transitioned too test rugby.. get that sorted at Super Rugby level and watch the improvement at test level as well

 

[Sully]

Can a) be done with Kerevi on the field?

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Kerevi is not a bad defender, He's just not a great defender. He made about 70% of his tackles in super rugby and was a victim of a rediculous defencive ackline running a rediculous system in the first Bledisloe.

So put a better system in place, and by better I mean simplier, make Cooper defend more often at flyhalf. and make him improve his tackling. But lets do it incrementally instead of full on for two weeks and them forgetting about it again.

 

[Brumby Runner]

RE the coach for next year. Guess we'll have a better idea who the contenders are by observing who is lingering around the Ballymore carpark tomorrow after the NRC. Might put my hand up as well, if I camp out and out last the other blokes, that will mean I am the coach?

Good luck in 2018 Simmons and thanks for everything you have done for us. Onwards and upwards for you mate, rekon go to Japan in 2019 for the WC, the younger locks will need your guidance on the biggest stage.

Remember to have a few years seeing the world as well when you done here in Oz.

In two years time, Coleman and Arnold will not be younger locks, if they are even today. Despite the love for Rob coming through now, I don't think we (the Wallabies) need him in 2019.

 

[Pass it to Dunning!]

Kerevi is not a bad defender, He's just not a great defender. He made about 70% of his tackles in super rugby and was a victim of a rediculous defencive ackline running a rediculous system in the first Bledisloe.

So put a better system in place, and by better I mean simplier, make Cooper defend more often at flyhalf. and make him improve his tackling. But lets do it incrementally instead of full on for two weeks and them forgetting about it again.

I suspect a lot of Kerevi's defensive errors don't count as missed tackles because he was never in position to make them.

 

[Strewthcobber]

In two years time, Coleman and Arnold will not be younger locks, if they are even today. Despite the love for Rob coming through now, I don't think we (the Wallabies) need him in 2019.

Looked it up, Arnold's only a year younger than Simmons and Coleman only 2.

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[Scrubber2050]

Looked it up, Arnold's only a year younger than Simmons and Coleman only 2.

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Shit it might be time to get rid of those 2 old fellas, Coleman and Arnold and install more young fellows like Rodda or other under 20 year olds.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I've never said the Reds are not entitled to move Simmons on. Every Franchise does that sort of thing from time to time, generally based on dollars or age. In this case it was dollars and a couple of younger guys coming thru.

The thing that shitted me was that the Reds jumped the gun and called a Presser to let the world know of their decision prior to giving Simmons some time to consider and re-sign with another Aussie franchise. That was the disgraceful part of the saga.

 

[RedsHappy]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...p/news-story/a6dc73362371f934f4f06c965bfee89b

It stems from this article, suggests there's still a chance Stiles may not be head coach in 2018 with the end of season review still is underway, with Brad Thorn considered an outside chance to be head coach in 2018. Confirmation Tony McGahan starts at Ballymore next Monday, and Phil Mooney is been looked at as a potential assistant coach to work on attack.

Tony McGahan does nothing for me, I don't see what merits he should be signed on. I think they Reds will maintain status quo for head coach in 2018, can't see them sacking Stiles midway through a contract, they can't afford it.

Phill Mooney is an interesting option though, wasn't a successful HC but I still think he did a good job in developing the attacking ability of the team in 2009 which laid the foundations for Link and the 2011 championship.

No doubt about that.

 

[RedsHappy]

Knuckles is getting a $150k payout from QRU over his sacking 2 years ago.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...h-wins-150k-in-qru-claim-20170901-p4yvo5.html

So maybe we'll be sticking with Stiles as probably can't afford to pay out his contract plus Knuckles.

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How the fuck did the QRU let it come to this - one of the greats of QLD rugby's coaching history had to go to a court to get paid after stepping in (in all good faith no doubt) on a crisis/emergency basis to deal with the ultra-hapless R Graham and the ensuing debacles on-field.

Perhaps they were advised by Cameron Clyne, telling them just how to handle these 'rebellious types'.

 

[Ignoto]

If you are really bored...a long read.
http://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QDC/2017/221

Fuck me, I've only briefly skimmed through that after a few beers but it points to a very poorly run organisation. Connolly is the only one who seems to come out of that with his head held high.

It might make for a decent read over a couple coffee's this weekend that's for sure.

 

[emuarse]

Fuck me, I've only briefly skimmed through that after a few beers but it points to a very poorly run organisation. Connolly is the only one who seems to come out of that with his head held high.

It might make for a decent read over a couple coffee's this weekend that's for sure.

I wonder who the QRU's legal advisers were? This could/should have been settled out of court.

 

[TOCC]

In some positive news, St George have signed on for another 3 years as principal sponsor, turning into quite a lengthy sponsorship partnership that one

 

[RedsHappy]

Fuck me, I've only briefly skimmed through that after a few beers but it points to a very poorly run organisation. Connolly is the only one who seems to come out of that with his head held high.

It might make for a decent read over a couple coffee's this weekend that's for sure.

I've now read the whole court case ruling.

Summary:

(a) The QRU's high-level administration of items such as contracts, employment matters etc with someone of Connolly's remuneration level etc was simply dreadful and both McCall and Carmicheal come out particularly badly in this regard

(b) These latter two persons were literally flailing around in May 2015 as they realised just how poor the Reds' performance had become. They sought an instant PR benefit in drafting Connolly in to 'do something to assist the Reds'. Graham objected vehemently but was overruled.

(c) The press release re Connolly's arrival was literally drafted before he'd even been properly retained. The final actual public press release clearly stated that Connolly would be retained right through the 2015 and 2016 seasons.

(d) Connolly made the commitment to the Reds for this job, started urgently, was assured (as the Judge found) by McCall up-front of a contract right through the end of the 2016 season........and then when the infamous Frawley/Robinson 'review of the Reds' HPU and HP practices' recommended Connolly be terminated in July 2015 (but Graham retained, of course) he was terminated then and there and Carmichael tried to argue that the whole arrangement had been subject to immediate termination with short notice only even though such was never properly documented with Connolly.

(e) The Judge's findings were unequivocal and in all respects supported Connolly's core contention that he was contracted for two full seasons and where the QRU improperly repudiated that contract after agreeing to it in May 2015.

(f) The enduring inference when reading the whole ruling is that the QRU's managerial culture (at least in 2015) was a decayed combination of the chaotic, the poorly governed, and in some respects, the dishonest and the disreputable.

 

[Gnostic]

I've now read the whole court case ruling.



Summary:



(a) The QRU's high-level administration of items such as contracts, employment matters etc with someone of Connolly's remuneration level etc was simply dreadful and both McCall and Carmicheal come out particularly badly in this regard



(b) These latter two persons were literally flailing around in May 2015 as they realised just how poor the Reds' performance had become. They sought an instant PR benefit in drafting Connolly in to 'do something to assist the Reds'. Graham objected vehemently but was overruled.



(c) The press release re Connolly's arrival was literally drafted before he'd even been properly retained. The final actual public press release clearly stated that Connolly would be retained right through the 2015 and 2016 seasons.



(d) Connolly made the commitment to the Reds for this job, started urgently, was assured (as the Judge found) by McCall up-front of a contract right through the end of the 2016 season....and then when the infamous Frawley/Robinson 'review of the Reds' HPU and HP practices' recommended Connolly be terminated in July 2015 (but Graham retained, of course) he was terminated then and there and Carmichael tried to argue that the whole arrangement had been subject to immediate termination with short notice only even though such was never properly documented with Connolly.



(e) The Judge's findings were unequivocal and in all respects supported Connolly's core contention that he was contracted for two full seasons and where the QRU improperly repudiated that contract after agreeing to it in May 2015.



(f) The enduring inference when reading the whole ruling is that the QRU's managerial culture (at least in 2015) was a decayed combination of the chaotic, the poorly governed, and in some respects, the dishonest and the disreputable.

And some people wonder why I harp on about robust systems and procedures for doing anything. If McCall and Carmichael had in place such systems they would have been prevented from making fools of themselves and losing the Reds a lot of face, and money.

 

[gel]

If you are really bored...a long read.
http://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QDC/2017/221

sam Cordingley and rod McCall evidence are embarrassing to both of them.

 

[TOCC]

U20s backrower, liam wright signed for 2 years

 

[Thinker]

This article really shows just how clueless and incompetent everyone in Australian rugby is from the cheerleading media through to the administrators: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...s/news-story/3b61ead67bfd8c5b96e826fbeb519de5

Some of the brilliance:

In one paragraph Thorn's inexperience is used as an excuse, the next he is spoken about being a candidate for a shake up.

Speculation swirls that a wider shake-up is being pondered with McGahan and Brad Thorn, who has won raves for his job as contact coach, gym tyrant and driver of standards.

1. Our contact was awful and lead to a constant stream of penalties.

2. Thorn's extra old school gym sessions clearly paid dividends. His lack of experience and qualifications in the field coupled with Stile's lack of backbone led to the pretty much our entire S&C department quitting. Including the only bloke in the organisation who has been a part of a successful program as a coach. They didn't leave for better jobs, the left for lesser or no jobs.

Oh, for all Thorn's extra work etc, weren't we criminally unfit? Didn't this get decided at the national level? Maybe the kind of stuff you see 3rd graders doing doesn't transfer to professional rugby.

3. A TEAM WITH STANDARDS DOES NOT CONCEED 60+ TRIES IN 15 GAMES. PERIOD.

A Stiles-McGahan coaching team at the top makes sense with the latter taking on the leaky defence that conceded 61 tries in 15 games.

My views on Stiles have not changed since he was appointed Snr Assistant, an outlier performance with a stacked team is the outlier, not the career 38% win rate. Coupling with McGahan is genius. Sure McGahan has just coached the worst professional rugby team in Australian history, but it's not like he has also just coached THE WORST DEFENCE IN AUSTRALIAN RUGBY HISTORY. SERIOUSLY. We upgrade from the worst Defensive coach the Reds have ever seen to the worst defensive coach Australia has ever seen.


I know McGahan is a local, but who's sister is he married to?

His appointment, if even just to run the water, makes less sense than RG getting re-appointed.