Reds 2018
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Frank Nicholson (4)
Not sure if there is an exact equation but (potential/ hype) x youth = unnecessary pressure.
Oh and probably a good whacking from Rodda and Tui in training
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Jason Little (69)
In reality, that is very hard to see. There are quite a few still young locks who are ahead of him and who will be around the Wallabies for a long while yet. Coleman, Philips, Staniforth, Rodda, Tui, Aholelei, as well as his contemporaries in this year's U20s and Swain. It will be many years before he displaces most of those in the Wallabies and probably not sufficient time left to reach the 100 matches milestone, if he makes it there at all.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
I wouldn't take a press quote to be indicative of ones true feelings. I'm not saying it's a lie, but probably embellished.
Still, the coaches/staff signed him for 4 years and as much as they do make incorrect calls on occasion, they are where they are for a reason. They know their stuff.
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This just blows my mind, I said from day one that these flexi contracts were fools gold, for test players it meant 18month long season and not a single wallaby has played a flexi contract and come back better, they've all come back either mentally or physically drained and their form has reflected that.
However, I also said that if they are really struggling with the wages to retain players, then Flexi-contracts should be aimed at the tier below the Wallabies. Guys like Liam Gill and Mike Harris who were fringe Wallabies with a far reduced workload having not played the JuneTests/Rugby Championships/Spring Tours. Even guys like Magnays, young guys who have haven't played much rugby should be the preferred option for Flexi-contracts over guys like Folau and Foley.
ARU opened the pandora box of allowing players to go overseas and still return to Australia for the Super Rugby, now they're trying to close the lid. It's just another example of mismanagement by the ARU, if they're trying to put a halt to these kind of contracts then they need to come out and say that, not retrospectively deny contracts to players who have already signed one.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Yeah, but I also see the ARU's point of remaining competitive in the world rugby marketplace on someone else's dime.
I personally think Magnay should put his head down and try to get a Wallaby jersey. This would make him worth FAR more in the overseas market anyway.
It's a classic case of short term windfall V long term earnings.
I personally think Magnay should put his head down and try to get a Wallaby jersey. This would make him worth FAR more in the overseas market anyway.
It's a classic case of short term windfall V long term earnings.
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David Wilson (68)
Did he nominate a position?
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Nev Cottrell (35)
Well he ain't going to get there sitting on the bench all Super Rugby season. How much game time has Magnay had in the last 2 years? I know he has been dogged by injury but he needs to be playing rugby.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
He's played little Super Rugby because he's struggled to build momentum with his injury issues. He's usually starting or getting good minutes at the start of the season, which reflects the coaches intentions.
I think he gets more value for his future having a good NRC and a great preseason (good for proactive injury management too).
It's not completely unfeasible that if he had an unreal NRC he'd go on the Spring Tour.
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John Thornett (49)
Trying to find a positive here..
Maybe playing against some of the smaller/quicker guys in the Top League will help him with defending against the steppers in Super. He seems to have a tendency to get turned inside out pretty easily at times by the guys with good lateral movement.
Maybe playing against some of the smaller/quicker guys in the Top League will help him with defending against the steppers in Super. He seems to have a tendency to get turned inside out pretty easily at times by the guys with good lateral movement.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Sure, it's not the worst thing in the world. Just not ideal.
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Trevor Allan (34)
No it's not ideal but it's not a disaster. It does stink of his manager getting in his ear about the opportunity to make a few yen, when really there is nothing the ARU can do about it because he is off contract.
The worry is that he goes up there and does his knee or something like CFS did, though it is completely possible that he could injure himself in the NRC.
If I was the ARU/Reds, I'd just say right there is a contract here for you but we have a get out clause if you get injured in Japan. Puts the responsibility and risk back on the player (and manager)
The worry is that he goes up there and does his knee or something like CFS did, though it is completely possible that he could injure himself in the NRC.
If I was the ARU/Reds, I'd just say right there is a contract here for you but we have a get out clause if you get injured in Japan. Puts the responsibility and risk back on the player (and manager)
They're not really in direct competition though. If you're in your mid to late 20s you're not vying to be the fourth or fifth lock in a squad. No team is ever going to sign you up to be that person at that age.
Presumably most of those guys playing premier rugby also understand how professional sporting teams build their squads and aren't thinking that they're in the running for an EPS or wider training squad spot because they're currently better than a teenager.
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Sure, I don't think anyone is disputing that, their is an inherit risk when you sign a young player on what you assume his future potential to be. Their is also a risk that signing an older player, will result in that younger player having his development slowed or signed by another club.
Reds signed Rodda and L.Tui on similar grounds in 2015, both were untested in opens and both were only 18 with a few years development ahead but we're locked in on 3 year contracts.
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Cyril Towers (30)
I think his point is that our development system is flawed as a whole due to the player market in Australia. In NZ, they can afford to send these guys back to club rugby to develop them and actually select the very best players for the year.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
I think this is a fallacy mate, NZ starts them young too.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
How many successful players at Super level were not considered dominant at junior level?
If we had the money to develop players properly I would rather U20's play a season of club rugby, a season of NRC (and club) then a season training with the Super Rugby team as the "opposition" at training to prove themselves (plus NRC and Club).
If they get through then they play in the Super Rugby team, they have proven their skill for three season of club, two seasons of NRC and competed for their spot in the Super Rugby team and would only be 23 years old on debut.
The problem is having enough money to pay a kid to stay and do this rather than sign elsewhere for more money.
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