Reds 2018

[fatprop]

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https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...er-positive-cocaine-test-20180524-p4zh71.html



So would the Reds have known or just RA?
For consistency he should be gone, or put back to club rugby and if the Reds knew about the first positive then he should have gone at that point in time.

We don't know the internal processes, I would assume they are in place and what was done for him\to him

Chronic injury, I would guess a load of pain and depression ....................................... I don't think dumping him is what should have been done

 

[USARugger]

We don't know the internal processes, I would assume they are in place and what was done for him\to him

Chronic injury, I would guess a load of pain and depression ............. I don't think dumping him is what should have been done

If he's struggling with depression to the point where he's making decisions like using again and is also dealing with chronic injury/pain.. sounds like a few months away from the game and with family/friends is exactly what he needs.

 

[mst]

From his statement he has been seeking treatment.

As a professional sportsman he probably can't really deal with the issue using anti-depressants and continue performing.

So based on that it shows he had considered all his options and made a clear decision on what he was doing and why. Cocaine to trying keep playing and not pursue "proper" treatment for his depression.

 

[Braveheart81]

So based on that it shows he had considered all his options and made a clear decision on what he was doing and why. Cocaine to trying keep playing and not pursue "proper" treatment for his depression.

People don't always make the best decisions.

 

[Rebels3]

I am curious as to why he was given 2 months yet Hunt has been kicked to the curb? Let's not forget Slipper has been tested positive twice so it's not a first indiscretion. Btw i am all for players serving a suspension and allowed to return aka. what has happened here with Slipper.

I wish Slipper all the best in his recovery and hope to see him playing again before the season is out. Just think he's a huge double standards shown, especially considering Hunt hadn't tested positive to anything and the court couldn't convict him of the original charges. Why has one been shown more empathy than another?

 

[USARugger]

Hunt's situation was a little more than just testing positive. A bit apples, oranges, and cocaine trying to draw similarities between the two aside from the white line fever.

You're also comparing a RU suspension to action taken by the QRU.

 

[Braveheart81]

I am curious as to why he was given 2 months yet Hunt has been kicked to the curb? Let's not forget Slipper has been tested positive twice so it's not a first indiscretion. Btw i am all for players serving a suspension and allowed to return aka. what has happened here with Slipper.

I wish Slipper all the best in his recovery and hope to see him playing again before the season is out. Just think he's a huge double standards shown, especially considering Hunt hadn't tested positive to anything and the court couldn't convict him of the original charges. Why has one been shown more empathy than another?

Hunt was arrested. He is also still on contract with the Reds. He was fined $10,000 and suspended for four games for the recent indiscretion.

Slipper has been suspended for 2 months and fined $27,000. My maths isn't necessarily great but that's twice as long and almost triple the fine.

There is absolutely zero to suggest Slipper is going to be selected by the Reds again.

 

[fatprop]

If he's struggling with depression to the point where he's making decisions like using again and is also dealing with chronic injury/pain.. sounds like a few months away from the game and with family/friends is exactly what he needs.

We don't know, it could be as much the structure and support could be needed

 

[SouthernX]

Hopefully Slipper slip-up is some kind of pathway for KHunt to return (even if it’s club rugby) makes no sense he is collecting six figures to sit at home and do nothing...

 

[Dan54]

I am really surprised, and not taking a stand either way, the only thing I will say it shows how little notice we should take of posters on rugby forums(or any forums). You can almost bet a lot of the answers are coloured by whether you are
a: A Reds supporter
b: a fan of Slipper as a player
c: you think use of Coke is OK
I feel for the guy who is obviously going through a hard time, but if we came in here and saw an All Black had been found guilty of the same offence I seriously doubt there would be any or very little feeling sorry for him, but a lot of yeah well we are better than that, and I almost guarantee there are a few idiots on NZ, Saffa etc etc sites doing exactly that and calling for him to be barred for years. I believe it a lesson to all, and not just about drugs!

 

[USARugger]

Dan, I think you'll find the sympathetic aspect to many of the posts here has far more to do with Slipper's recent statements about his mental health than with any form of provincial bias - especially considering almost all of the harsh posts in this thread (aside from Dismal) so far have come from posters with QLD flair.

Unless you're talking about some other forum, of course.

 

[Strewthcobber]

We don't know the internal processes, I would assume they are in place and what was done for him\to him

Chronic injury, I would guess a load of pain and depression ............. I don't think dumping him is what should have been done

The Rugby Australia drug policy is online and has the process that will have been followed

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[jimmydubs]

He might’ve wanted to get caught. That can help too at times, gets everything out in the open, bit of band aid off fast.
Probably totally wrong but just popped into my head. Gets told about first positive, depressed, says ‘bah fuck it’ let’s bring this to a head.
Hopefully the process and wider support he gets now helps.
I don’t really understand the black dog but taking responsibility can help and he has to now.
Wish him well, love the big fella.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

A lot wider issues here.
We forget these are mortals.
They have shit to deal with and sometimes it’s hard to deal with it.

 

[Ignoto]

but if we came in here and saw an All Black had been found guilty of the same offence I seriously doubt there would be any or very little feeling sorry for him, but a lot of yeah well we are better than that, and I almost guarantee there are a few idiots on NZ, Saffa etc etc sites doing exactly that and calling for him to be barred for years.

Sometimes you Kiwis really don’t do your whole chip on the shoulder image any good.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...t-for-a-banned-substance-20170205-gu5oiq.html

Four NZ players busted for dabbling in the dark arts of PEDs https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/42630419

Seriously not an appropriate time to be pissing and moaning about trivial fan shit to be frank.

 

[cyclopath]

I am really surprised, and not taking a stand either way, the only thing I will say it shows how little notice we should take of posters on rugby forums(or any forums). You can almost bet a lot of the answers are coloured by whether you are
a: A Reds supporter
b: a fan of Slipper as a player
c: you think use of Coke is OK
I feel for the guy who is obviously going through a hard time, but if we came in here and saw an All Black had been found guilty of the same offence I seriously doubt there would be any or very little feeling sorry for him, but a lot of yeah well we are better than that, and I almost guarantee there are a few idiots on NZ, Saffa etc etc sites doing exactly that and calling for him to be barred for years. I believe it a lesson to all, and not just about drugs!

Hmmmm. Sounds like a bunch of homespun rubbish.
You couch it in terms that sound like you’re seeing all sides, but really you’re judging him, and most of the posters here, in exactly the light you seem to want to decry.
The use of drugs is not a binary decision, it’s not a 0 or a 1, not black and white, nor is mental health. It’s complex.
But I’m just a fucking idiot, ay?


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[dru]

I feel for the guy who is obviously going through a hard time, but if we came in here and saw an All Black had been found guilty of the same offence I seriously doubt there would be any or very little feeling sorry for him, but a lot of yeah well we are better than that, and I almost guarantee there are a few idiots on NZ, Saffa etc etc sites doing
exactly that and calling for him to be barred for years. I believe it a lesson to all, and not just about drugs!

Dan - that is a large brush you are painting with. I would take exactly the same view to an AB caught in exactly the same way. The colour of the jersey doesn't change the colour of the black dog.

It is true that the issue would not feel as "close" to me were it an AB or Bok compared to a favourite son at the Reds - bit obvious though. I also would certainly not post a comment like yours on a AB or Kiwi team thread were the situation reversed.

 

[Braveheart81]

Is talking about "the black dog" just another example of men (in particular) not wanting to talk about depression and being depressed?

People want to give it a colloquial name as they want to avoid the stigma attached to the actual name of the issue?

 

[dru]

Is talking about "the black dog" just another example of men (in particular) not wanting to talk about depression and being depressed?

People want to give it a colloquial name as they want to avoid the stigma attached to the actual name of the issue?

Braveheart, you are correct but I think your context wrong. If giving something a name like "the black dog" helps blokes talk about the issue it's a good thing, not a negative. It is also a descriptor that any bloke I know who has been through it can describe.

Give it a medical term if it helps, but the "dog" gets men to open up.

 

[Dan54]

In that case I owe a lot of apologies, I was in no way trying to take any moral high ground, more just saying I was a little surprised ( and pleased)that there was a bit of sympathy after the Hunt business earlier in the year. But I will also add let's not get carried away and say it's not appropiate, FFS he has only been done for Coke, although I have never actually tried it I imagine there are plenty of users on the bored, and plenty within the game! Geez proof of the pudding is Ig has been to find some kiwi players that have snorted , and I am staggered that anyone thought I was even trying to say it an Aus /NZ thing. I was more trying to take it away from Slipper a bit, saying let's not make it an ongoing thing we have to read about for weeks!!