Reds 2018

[dru]

Reshappy did: 'I seem to be only one here mentioning the extremely odd choice of the QRU in hiring the failed McGahan as 'mentor and senior assistant' coach to Thorn.'

SOrry buddy - where does this say it is anything other than QRU issue?

 

[Zero_Cool]

If you seriously think you're the only one who reckons McGahan was a dodgy hire you need your head read:

I've also said good things about McGahn, I'm not sure if he's brilliant, but he's got a good pedigree winning in Europe, former Wallabies Defence Coach before taking up what was likely a very political head coaching role with Melbourne.

 

[jimmydubs]

My memory is universal consternation at the appointment of TT. Except from rebels fans who were too busy rolling on the floor holding their sides.

 

[Mr Wobbly]

My memory is universal consternation at the appointment of TT. Except from rebels fans who were too busy rolling on the floor holding their sides.

Yeah. We kinda did do that

 

[Rebelsfan]

My memory is universal consternation at the appointment of TT. Except from rebels fans who were too busy rolling on the floor holding their sides.

I know I did

 

[upthereds#!]

Brumbies were also showing signs of the defensive errors the Reds were making, which to me seemed predominately making poor decisions about WHO to cover. Simple numbering up seems to escape the players, with a commitment to pillar post...but when there is noone in a position to run that channel, so we are caught short out wide. Even when numbered effectively out wide, players on the outside were consistently doubling up on the inside runner, (not trusting the defender inside them to make the hit?), thus leaving the outside runner unmarked. Rookie error. Trust the man inside to make his tackle, and stick to your man. If your inside man gets burnt on the outside, that's his problem and is then the responsibility of the cover defence ( sprinting directly across from the last breakdown usually a flank or halfback).

 

[liquor box]

I have always seen the Reds as a franchise and not a state team, we play in QLD but should be a separate entity if we want to succeed.

Too many issues come from the QRU influence of giving jobs to the boys and to treating Rugby at Super Level as a sport/game/past time and not as a professional business.

If we want to succeed as the Reds then we need to be totally focused on how to get a plan in place to win, nothing else can be accepted.

If we really wanted to win then last year when the Force visited Brisbane after it was decided a team was going to be kicked out we would have had head hunters approaching Wessles, he was at least winning some games in the level that we want to win at.

We should have been signing Rebels and Force players to contracts that only come into effect if their team was cut.

I know the thought of approaching players upset plenty of people but this is a business, if we don't win we lose support, lose support and we go broke and lose our team.

We should have been recruiting a coach from a high level competition, or at least a guy with more than two or three years of coaching where everything was handed to him.

If the NRC is a stepping stone then why not let Thorn prove himself, he is a QRU employee, switch him to the City team and if they perform then you have an indication he might be alright, lets face it the NRC is great to watch because it is easy for highly skilled players to look awesome against good club players...I love the NRC but realise it is not a very high level..especially to prove coaching ability.

Our player recruitment has issues, I wont try to pretend I have a good enough knowledge of the game to say who should stay and who should go but have serious questions over how development occurs.

We seem desperate to find the next prodigy that can go from high school to international level in a season. This is not something you aim to recruit, if this person exists he will stand out like a set of dogs balls and will find his way to the team.

Unless this freak walks into the Ballymore we need to actually have plans on how to build a team of players with the skills we want, we need complete players.

I would try to avoid any player making a debut before they are 22 or 23 years old (would prefer 25).

By the time they are in Year 10 they should be on the long term radar and need to be assessed and told what skills they are deficient in and then advised on how to improve this skill and then practice.

repeat in year 11 and year 12.

They then go to Club rugby where they are again assessed for deficiencies that are worked on and improved if they want an NRC contract. Prove yourself in NRC and you get a training squad role with the Reds.

Think of it as a high school / college / minor league baseball set up. When you get to the big show you should be skilled in all facets of the game required for your position.

I am sick of back three players who cant kick, centres who cant pass, half backs who have to take a step before passing etc etc.

We accept players who are deficient in a skill because they are great at others, imagine if Kerevi could distribute both ways and possessed a good kicking game. I like Kerevi but wonder just how good he could be.

Being able to make contact with the ball using your feet is different to a kicking game just as being able to throw a football does not make you a distributor.

I love the Reds and always will but get more frustrated with what happens off the field than on it because the guys on the park are doing the best with what they have got.

 

[Getwithme]

I have always seen the Reds as a franchise and not a state team, we play in QLD but should be a separate entity if we want to succeed.

Too many issues come from the QRU influence of giving jobs to the boys and to treating Rugby at Super Level as a sport/game/past time and not as a professional business.

If we want to succeed as the Reds then we need to be totally focused on how to get a plan in place to win, nothing else can be accepted.

If we really wanted to win then last year when the Force visited Brisbane after it was decided a team was going to be kicked out we would have had head hunters approaching Wessles, he was at least winning some games in the level that we want to win at.

We should have been signing Rebels and Force players to contracts that only come into effect if their team was cut.

I know the thought of approaching players upset plenty of people but this is a business, if we don't win we lose support, lose support and we go broke and lose our team.

We should have been recruiting a coach from a high level competition, or at least a guy with more than two or three years of coaching where everything was handed to him.

If the NRC is a stepping stone then why not let Thorn prove himself, he is a QRU employee, switch him to the City team and if they perform then you have an indication he might be alright, lets face it the NRC is great to watch because it is easy for highly skilled players to look awesome against good club players.I love the NRC but realise it is not a very high level..especially to prove coaching ability.

Our player recruitment has issues, I wont try to pretend I have a good enough knowledge of the game to say who should stay and who should go but have serious questions over how development occurs.

We seem desperate to find the next prodigy that can go from high school to international level in a season. This is not something you aim to recruit, if this person exists he will stand out like a set of dogs balls and will find his way to the team.

Unless this freak walks into the Ballymore we need to actually have plans on how to build a team of players with the skills we want, we need complete players.

I would try to avoid any player making a debut before they are 22 or 23 years old (would prefer 25).

By the time they are in Year 10 they should be on the long term radar and need to be assessed and told what skills they are deficient in and then advised on how to improve this skill and then practice.

repeat in year 11 and year 12.

They then go to Club rugby where they are again assessed for deficiencies that are worked on and improved if they want an NRC contract. Prove yourself in NRC and you get a training squad role with the Reds.

Think of it as a high school / college / minor league baseball set up. When you get to the big show you should be skilled in all facets of the game required for your position.

I am sick of back three players who cant kick, centres who cant pass, half backs who have to take a step before passing etc etc.

We accept players who are deficient in a skill because they are great at others, imagine if Kerevi could distribute both ways and possessed a good kicking game. I like Kerevi but wonder just how good he could be.

Being able to make contact with the ball using your feet is different to a kicking game just as being able to throw a football does not make you a distributor.

I love the Reds and always will but get more frustrated with what happens off the field than on it because the guys on the park are doing the best with what they have got.

All for this. How do you make a stand right now?

 

[Strewthcobber]

I have always seen the Reds as a franchise and not a state team, we play in QLD but should be a separate entity if we want to succeed.

The QRU currently and historically doesn't see it that way (which probably explains any number of decisions over the last 22 years

Queensland Rugby is the governing body for the Code of Rugby Union in Queensland.
The union has 27 affiliated members and represents the interests of more than 250,000 participants at over 200 clubs and 450 schools which incorporate around 20,000 officials, administrators and volunteers across the state.

Secondly, Queensland Rugby is also responsible for the representative rugby pathways which culminate in the professional Super Rugby team, the St. George Queensland Reds.

 

[liquor box]

The QRU currently and historically doesn't see it that way (which probably explains any number of decisions over the last 22 years

I realise they dont and that would possibly date back to the start of Super Rugby.

The best chance of success is if the QRU are about to go broke and a private person or group offer a lot of money to buy the rights to the franchise. The issue then becomes access to players.

If the franchises were truely independent of the state unions then a state of origin type concept could exist

 

[Tomikin]

I have always seen the Reds as a franchise and not a state team, we play in QLD but should be a separate entity if we want to succeed.

Too many issues come from the QRU influence of giving jobs to the boys and to treating Rugby at Super Level as a sport/game/past time and not as a professional business.

If we want to succeed as the Reds then we need to be totally focused on how to get a plan in place to win, nothing else can be accepted.

If we really wanted to win then last year when the Force visited Brisbane after it was decided a team was going to be kicked out we would have had head hunters approaching Wessles, he was at least winning some games in the level that we want to win at.

We should have been signing Rebels and Force players to contracts that only come into effect if their team was cut.

I know the thought of approaching players upset plenty of people but this is a business, if we don't win we lose support, lose support and we go broke and lose our team.

We should have been recruiting a coach from a high level competition, or at least a guy with more than two or three years of coaching where everything was handed to him.

If the NRC is a stepping stone then why not let Thorn prove himself, he is a QRU employee, switch him to the City team and if they perform then you have an indication he might be alright, lets face it the NRC is great to watch because it is easy for highly skilled players to look awesome against good club players.I love the NRC but realise it is not a very high level..especially to prove coaching ability.

Our player recruitment has issues, I wont try to pretend I have a good enough knowledge of the game to say who should stay and who should go but have serious questions over how development occurs.

We seem desperate to find the next prodigy that can go from high school to international level in a season. This is not something you aim to recruit, if this person exists he will stand out like a set of dogs balls and will find his way to the team.

Unless this freak walks into the Ballymore we need to actually have plans on how to build a team of players with the skills we want, we need complete players.

I would try to avoid any player making a debut before they are 22 or 23 years old (would prefer 25).

By the time they are in Year 10 they should be on the long term radar and need to be assessed and told what skills they are deficient in and then advised on how to improve this skill and then practice.

repeat in year 11 and year 12.

They then go to Club rugby where they are again assessed for deficiencies that are worked on and improved if they want an NRC contract. Prove yourself in NRC and you get a training squad role with the Reds.

Think of it as a high school / college / minor league baseball set up. When you get to the big show you should be skilled in all facets of the game required for your position.

I am sick of back three players who cant kick, centres who cant pass, half backs who have to take a step before passing etc etc.

We accept players who are deficient in a skill because they are great at others, imagine if Kerevi could distribute both ways and possessed a good kicking game. I like Kerevi but wonder just how good he could be.

Being able to make contact with the ball using your feet is different to a kicking game just as being able to throw a football does not make you a distributor.

I love the Reds and always will but get more frustrated with what happens off the field than on it because the guys on the park are doing the best with what they have got.

So a really talented junior comes along gets offered money and a contract to play league at 17 - 18 and your way of telling him to stay in the game is for him to wait till his 23 or as you would like 25 before getting a contract..if his any good his already lost by then..

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[dru]

So a really talented junior comes along gets offered money and a contract to play league at 17 - 18 and your way of telling him to stay in the game is for him to wait till his 23 or as you would like 25 before getting a contract..if his any good his already lost by then..

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Is the polemic actually necessary? Sign them up and let them break into a grade team.

 

[Zero_Cool]

The QRU currently and historically doesn't see it that way (which probably explains any number of decisions over the last 22 years

I mean the alternative is the QRU / Reds ending up like the Waratahs and Rugby NSW... and I'd rather not have that bundle of politics become the Reds.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Is the polemic actually necessary? Sign them up and let them break into a grade team.

Surely no organisation would identify and sign talented players up and then leave their development to the amateur level

 

[liquor box]

So a really talented junior comes along gets offered money and a contract to play league at 17 - 18 and your way of telling him to stay in the game is for him to wait till his 23 or as you would like 25 before getting a contract..if his any good his already lost by then..

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you sign long term contracts, I would rather wait and get a player who is complete than a player who gets a spot because they have one really good skill.

There are very few freaks who come along, there are far more players who can be developed into something better.

you cant sign every talent and if they are that good they will be signed by someone with more money that the Reds.

 

[Braveheart81]

you sign long term contracts, I would rather wait and get a player who is complete than a player who gets a spot because they have one really good skill.

There are very few freaks who come along, there are far more players who can be developed into something better.

you cant sign every talent and if they are that good they will be signed by someone with more money that the Reds.

Unless a club is going to offer big money and overpay a substantial portion of their players, how do you achieve this?

It's a competitive market. The players wield significant power, particularly the good ones. I don't think the prospect of signing up talented 18 year olds to 5+ year contracts is really at all viable in practice unless you pay massive overs for someone who probably will end up being disappointing.

 

[Linebreaker]

you sign long term contracts, I would rather wait and get a player who is complete than a player who gets a spot because they have one really good skill.

There are very few freaks who come along, there are far more players who can be developed into something better.

you cant sign every talent and if they are that good they will be signed by someone with more money that the Reds.

And there lies half the problem.. BT thought he'd take half the U20's and turn them into Super Rugby players over night,
you can still get them into a contract early just leave them in club for a season or 2, look at the current Super Rugby contracted players playing club on the weekend.. all playing hard excellent rugby hoping to be recalled...

 

[dru]

Surely no organisation would identify and sign talented players up and then leave their development to the amateur level

Strewth, I don't get the drive here. I again suggested no such thing. The signed up guys would presumably be spending a lot more time training than their ammatuer friends in grade. All I'm suggesting is that a bit of hardening up against adults isnt a bad idea.

 

[dru]

I mean the alternative is the QRU / Reds ending up like the Waratahs and Rugby NSW. and I'd rather not have that bundle of politics become the Reds.

I like the Waratah Ltd structure. Separates the commercial professional wing from the organisation. And provides income to the broader game (presuming that the Waratahs Ltd are earning money). The problem is that the NSWRU should be focussed on success ammatuer and grass roots rugby.

I know that the QRU has it's frictions but reckon they interface with the grass roots better than in NSW.

Reds is another matter.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Strewth, I don't get the drive here. I again suggested no such thing. The signed up guys would presumably be spending a lot more time training than their ammatuer friends in grade. All I'm suggesting is that a bit of hardening up against adults isnt a bad idea.

I was mostly joking about QC (Quade Cooper)

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