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Mark Ella (57)
Waterboyrugby said:
Having watched DP starting to carve up NRC this season (league habits aside), I believe the Reds need to go with a 2-headed backline with dual threat playmakers QC (Quade Cooper) at 10 and DP at 12 and Hunt at 15.



QC (Quade Cooper) needs a roaming licence to float between first reciever or out wide in the line at fullback, where he can attack on the edges in 2-on-1 and 3-on-2 situations. DP can slot into 1st reciever when he does this and can deliver ball out well.



QC (Quade Cooper) needs to defend at fullback, with Hunt in the frontline so that the counter opportunities and broken play is maximised.



If you look at alot of the 2011 QC (Quade Cooper) highlights, this is where he is most dangerous, down short sides with short numbers and on the counter. QC (Quade Cooper) n DP could work in a similar fashion that McKenzie & Cruden do for the Chiefs.



This is something a bit different but has potential to best utilise QC (Quade Cooper) and give DP a role that best suits his skills.
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Just what we need, another unbalanced "two playmaker" model.
 
TSR

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Andrew Slack (58)
I don't think it should be viewed as ball player vs ball runner.

DP has good ball skills and he is not a crash baller, but he also has good footwork and runs good lines.

In 2011 Tapaui was very good in the 12 jersey next to Cooper and he did a similiar job.

I would have no problem with Two centre like Kerevi & Magnay, but I don't think Paia'uau should be dismissed as an option.
 
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Nev Cottrell (35)
I agree, IMO Isia Perese is a better ball runner (12) that DP although he does lack a bit of size for Super Rugby.


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Trevor Allan (34)
Have we totally discarded the idea of Hunt at 12?

When I think about it the Reds best playmakers are probably
1 - Cooper
2 - DP
3/4 - Hunt and Mcintyre (can't split)

The Reds best backline ball carriers are obviously Kerevi...daylight then everyone else.

A halfway option between DP (the ball player) and Kerevi/Magnay outside Cooper may be Hunt at 12. In the one game he played there last year (Tahs?) I remember thinking "Shit we get a lot out of him defensively there" and I remain unconvinced that his more physical style is best suited to 15.

Would be a big move, given there isn't much in the way of other strong 15's in the squad
 
RugbyReg

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Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
it would depend who played 15.

I still have a crazy theory that

15 Cooper
14 Nabuli
13 Kerevi
12 Hunt
11 Perese
10 McIntyre
9 Frisby

is an interesting proposition.

But accept I am alone in that view. I just feel it would assist McIntyre's development to play with QC (Quade Cooper).
 
amirite

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Chilla Wilson (44)
RugbyReg said:
it would depend who played 15.

I still have a crazy theory that

15 Cooper
14 Nabuli
13 Kerevi
12 Hunt
11 Perese
10 McIntyre
9 Frisby

is an interesting proposition.

But accept I am alone in that view. I just feel it would assist McIntyre's development to play with QC (Quade Cooper).
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Whilst I am attracted to QC (Quade Cooper) playing 15 (probably makes sense for the Wallabies), I do not think McIntyre is compelling enough of a player for this combo to work.

I don't think McIntyre is as bad as some do, but he's not commanding a starting jersey in Super Rugby.
 
Scoey

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
McIntyre is probably a victim of circumstance more than anything but the thought of him in the starting XV for the Reds just fills me with dread. I genuinely feel sorry for the guy that his 'start' in Super Rugby came about as it did but I have some very strong emotions attached to that particular passage in Reds history and I doubt I will be able to get over them any time soon.
 
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Andrew Slack (58)
To me, the problem with McIntyre was that he wasn't ready to be starting 10 at super level and he was trying to learn the ropes in a poor environment.

I think this year presents something of a second chance for him. Gets a chance to develop under a test level 10 and, hopefully, an improved coaching set up. Hopefully.

I'll be interested to see what sort of a player he is in 12 months.
 
Scrubber2050

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
RugbyReg said:
it would depend who played 15.

I still have a crazy theory that

15 Cooper
14 Nabuli
13 Kerevi
12 Hunt
11 Perese
10 McIntyre
9 Frisby

is an interesting proposition.

But accept I am alone in that view. I just feel it would assist McIntyre's development to play with QC (Quade Cooper).
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Crazy is right Reg but I think you got the 9, 13 and 14 positions right.

I don't give a damm about McIntyre's development.

I want to see the Reds go well, very well.

McIntyre an understudy to Quade, fair enough but having him anywhere near the starting side is another recipe for failure.
 
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Waterboyrugby

Herbert Moran (7)
Gnostic said:
Just what we need, another unbalanced "two playmaker" model.
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The reality is the Reds need to innovate and find something different that gives them an advantage, because right now having a great scrum that milks penalties doesn't win games of rugby.

QC (Quade Cooper) is an out-the-box kind of player, and you don't bring him in unless your prepared to play that way. When he was at the peak of his game this is how he was used. Playing DP at 12 allows him to get back to that and get him in positions to maximise a return on his skills, plus another dimension as DP is a threat as well. This was a suggestion to accomodate & encourage this.

The alternative, which is another line runner at 12, and QC (Quade Cooper) plays 1 off the ruck all day, distributes alot, hits alot of runners who die with the ball, waits an eternity for the next phase, sees less running opportunities close in tight & spends alot of time trying to open up things for everyone else. He will probably still manage something but will be under utilised IMO.
 
Scrubber2050

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
Waterboyrugby said:
The reality is the Reds need to innovate and find something different that gives them an advantage, because right now having a great scrum that milks penalties doesn't win games of rugby.

QC (Quade Cooper) is an out-the-box kind of player, and you don't bring him in unless your prepared to play that way. When he was at the peak of his game this is how he was used. Playing DP at 12 allows him to get back to that and get him in positions to maximise a return on his skills, plus another dimension as DP is a threat as well. This was a suggestion to accomodate & encourage this.

The alternative, which is another line runner at 12, and QC (Quade Cooper) plays 1 off the ruck all day, distributes alot, hits alot of runners who die with the ball, waits an eternity for the next phase, sees less running opportunities close in tight & spends alot of time trying to open up things for everyone else. He will probably still manage something but will be under utilised IMO.
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Mate, has Stiles contacted yet you about being backs coach.:)

Could do a lot worse
 
dru

dru

David Wilson (68)
Scrubber2050 said:
Mate, has Stiles contacted yet you about being backs coach.:)

Could do a lot worse
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+1

I'm honestly perplexed by Reds fans wanting to persist with Mac. I'll give him his due, fabulous servant during tough times. If we are to make someone Cooper's understudy, my vote is for DP. (Note that no one is giving HIM credit for coming through the same RG period but I think more obviously screwed by it).

Let him learn as second playmaker. And in three or so years start bringing him closer to the action.

As far as 15 is concerned, very happy to see the Link positional play continue. But it won't until Hunt decides to come in closer. Which also is AOK.

Hope Stiles has an eye on the Wobbles and how Cheik is boosting the centre channel in defence.
 
emuarse

emuarse

Chilla Wilson (44)
Scrubber2050 said:
Crazy is right Reg but I think you got the 9, 13 and 14 positions right.

I don't give a damm about McIntyre's development.

I want to see the Reds go well, very well.

McIntyre an understudy to Quade, fair enough but having him anywhere near the starting side is another recipe for failure.
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Well, it has to be remembered that the Super Rugby season is a long one, at a high level of intensity.
I see QC (Quade Cooper) getting the odd niggle (hopefully not anything more), or needing refresher breaks. So what I'm saying is that McIntyre will get a fair share of time in the No 10 jersey as a starter.
And even another replacement for the No 10 spot should be planned for, probably DP.
 
RugbyReg

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Scoey said:
Because I'm trying anything I can to avoid doing work today, is there still likely to be news on this, this week? Or has it been pushed back?
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not sure. Last I heard it was going to be this week, but this week is getting away from us...
 
Scoey

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
I'm with Reg.

That backline looks well balanced and could pose multiple threats to opposition defences.
 
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