Reds 2017

[Thinker]

Gilmore needs to concentrate on his job in hand as well.more bottles more water, more water more bottles..

In all seriousness, if you tasked me with fixing the coaching problems with Aus rugby one of the many things I would ban would be coaches running water.

If you aren't competent to get the job done in the other 166 hours per week you shouldn't be there.

Stiles used to live on the field at Force and Reds as an assistant, now Gilmore. Grey same at Tahs.

 

[Braveheart81]

In all seriousness, if you tasked me with fixing the coaching problems with Aus rugby one of the many things I would ban would be coaches running water.

If you aren't competent to get the job done in the other 166 hours per week you shouldn't be there.

Stiles used to live on the field at Force and Reds as an assistant, now Gilmore. Grey same at Tahs.

Do you think that no instructions should be passed on to players during the game?

Surely instructions during the game aren't based around things you forgot to tell the players during the week but a response to what you are seeing during the game.

The coaches sitting up in the stands and on the sideline have a different perspective to the players on the field.

Seems a weird one to take as a negative. Surely every side does it.

 

[gel]

Foley doesn't play for the reds. Don't even know why his name is coming up in this thread (<--- thread Nazism alert).

Quade is not playing well enough at the moment to be in the wallaby conversation. His execution is poor across almost every aspect of a flyhalf game at the moment and he would be a liability at wallaby level.

I have never seen a more talented individual than him in dire need of strong sports psychological input.

His ceiling is ridiculously high.

 

[amirite]

In all seriousness, if you tasked me with fixing the coaching problems with Aus rugby one of the many things I would ban would be coaches running water.

If you aren't competent to get the job done in the other 166 hours per week you shouldn't be there.

Stiles used to live on the field at Force and Reds as an assistant, now Gilmore. Grey same at Tahs.

Much like runners in AFL, as just one example, coaches need to get message out.

Under fatigue players need to be reminded of key focuses and can benefit from being made aware of patterns the coach has noticed, and simple adjustments that need to be made.

I actually think in rugby it's good we cut out the middle man and get the coach to run the water. It just makes sense.

 

[MarkJ]

Foley doesn't play for the reds. Don't even know why his name is coming up in this thread (<--- thread Nazism alert).

Quade is not playing well enough at the moment to be in the wallaby conversation. His execution is poor across almost every aspect of a flyhalf game at the moment and he would be a liability at wallaby level.

I have never seen a more talented individual than him in dire need of strong sports psychological input.

His ceiling is ridiculously high.

I think his body's just not up to it any more. Once he did his knee he lost the ability to take on the line which kept defenders guessing and opened up space for the rest of the team.

 

[Strewthcobber]

I think his body's just not up to it any more. Once he did his knee he lost the ability to take on the line which kept defenders guessing and opened up space for the rest of the team.

Doesn't trust his shoulders now either

Still ahead of any other option the Reds have by the length of the straight

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[Braveheart81]

Doesn't trust his shoulders now either

Still ahead of any other option the Reds have by the length of the straight

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There's a joke somewhere in here about the other guy getting a flat McIntyre.

 

[Thinker]

Do you think that no instructions should be passed on to players during the game?

Surely instructions during the game aren't based around things you forgot to tell the players during the week but a response to what you are seeing during the game.

The coaches sitting up in the stands and on the sideline have a different perspective to the players on the field.

Seems a weird one to take as a negative. Surely every side does it.

There is a big difference between getting an occasional message out to players and having a coach constantly coaching on the field. These guys push the laws every game and try and spend as much time as possible out there (though no one was as bad as Stiles who was repeatedly sent by the ref). There is a huge difference between noticing something in the opposition that hundreds of hours of analysis didn't pick up and having to be in Quades ear every time the whistle blows.

There is a reason we have a generation of players who can't think for themselves and look like the U7 kids who play at half time. They are coached that way.

IF they are just passing on messages, wouldn't it make more sense to have the world's worst defensive coach in a position where he could see the abomination he has created, rather than walking around the edge of the field? Or our contact coach in a position where he can see why our players tackle either with their hands or around the head?

Wouldn't it make sense to have someone who may have a more valuable skill set during the game (ie Marsh/Lieske who did the job under link) out there if they aren't coaching the players?

I certainly haven't noticed another team where at least one of the water runners isn't part of the physical preparation staff if not both.

 

[RedsHappy]

Foley doesn't play for the reds. Don't even know why his name is coming up in this thread (<--- thread Nazism alert).

Quade is not playing well enough at the moment to be in the wallaby conversation. His execution is poor across almost every aspect of a flyhalf game at the moment and he would be a liability at wallaby level.

I have never seen a more talented individual than him in dire need of strong sports psychological input.

His ceiling is ridiculously high.

Two other points I'd add:

- for whatever reason, his injuries seem to have degraded his performance more than most, e.g., his RWC 2011 ACL vs Wales; after that his incredible evasive l and r step at the line never recovered its power and agility

- and equally, when not coached by Link and, particularly, the Link Assistants of 2010-11, he didn't appear quite as good, or as self-confident as a player, ever again. I believe there was something in that psychological and personalities mix that induced and developed the best in QC (Quade Cooper) and, once it departed, so did a few cylinders off his engine, mentally and skill-wise.

In watching QC (Quade Cooper) in 2017 I feel a mixture of much sadness and regret, as though something of true and rare rugby gold that exemplified the best spirit of attacking, ingenious, fast, Australian running rugby, is now lost forever and only a shadow remains.

 

[The torpedo]

for whatever reason, his injuries seem to have degraded his performance more than most, e.g., his RWC 2011 ACL vs Wales; after that his incredible evasive l and r step at the line never recovered its power and agility

Add to this his 3 shoulder surgeries in under 12 months IMO ruining his confidence in his shoulders, and subsequently his tackling dropping off to the days of 2011 and before

In watching QC (Quade Cooper) in 2017 I feel a mixture of much sadness and regret, as though something of true and rare rugby gold that exemplified the best spirit of attacking, ingenious, fast, Australian running rugby, is now lost forever and only a shadow remains.

Some (hopeful) optimism - He has shown flashes of his best in games this year. Hopefully being injury-free for a good long period will see him return to his best in 2018.

Semi-OT (related to your 2nd point) I sometimes dream of the reds having this coaching staff:

HC: Ewen McKenzie
Attack coach: Jim McKay
Defence coach: Matt Taylor
Set-piece coach: Nick Stiles
Kicking and skills coach: Jonny Wilkinson
Head trainer: Damian Marsh
Psychologist and strategist: Chook Fowler

 

[RedsHappy]

Add to this his 3 shoulder surgeries in under 12 months IMO ruining his confidence in his shoulders, and subsequently his tackling dropping off to the days of 2011 and before



Some (hopeful) optimism - He has shown flashes of his best in games this year. Hopefully being injury-free for a good long period will see him return to his best in 2018.

Semi-OT (related to your 2nd point) I sometimes dream of the reds having this coaching staff:

HC: Ewen McKenzie
Attack coach: Jim McKay
Defence coach: Matt Taylor
Set-piece coach: Nick Stiles
Kicking and skills coach: Jonny Wilkinson
Head trainer: Damian Marsh
Psychologist and strategist: Chook Fowler

Got you but mate Stu Lierich in Brisbane would be a fine kicking coach. He's an exceptional specialist coach that, remarkably, has to get most of his income from consulting to overseas teams.

I guess our rugby kicking skills in Australian elite rugby are just so good we don't need local guys like him.

See https://kickcoaching.com.au

 

[liquor box]

Psychologist and strategist: Chook Fowler

Ex NRL and boxer Chook Fowler?

 

[The torpedo]

Ex NRL and boxer Chook Fowler?

This one (article from 2008): http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...d/news-story/af9f700f3796f2efa6acc2d8b045b677

 

[Gnostic]

Ex NRL and boxer Chook Fowler?

Certainly not the ex-NSW Detective.

 

[Mr Doug]

He clearly needs better technical coaching re many aspects of his game, his holistic game is not developing and if anything is slightly deteriorating. Plus, perhaps too, coaching that is more psychologically sympathetic with his particularly mental profile (a key part of any effective coaching).

In the same context, with all these issues, promoting him to (C) is madness, absolute madness.

He's a young guy that needs a lot of work to become a complete player and fulfil his talent.

Burdening him today with a Super captaincy is just a destructive folly on Stiles' part, and highlights Stiles' own current problems arising from inexperience and a chronic lack of success in any of his last 4 (or more) years of being involved with rugby coaching.

C'mon Reds Happy, you are being a bit hard on the guy.
I thought his spitting during a recent 'Captain's post-match interview' with a female presenter, was "all class"!!

 

[USARugger]

QC (Quade Cooper) was getting around fine in 2013, two years after his knee injury.

He ran riot against the Force in 2015.

Something that's happened since is the reason he's fucked.

 

[RedsHappy]

C'mon Reds Happy, you are being a bit hard on the guy.
I thought his spitting during a recent 'Captain's post-match interview' with a female presenter, was "all class"!!

Well, if that's the key criterion, just as Hooper is also so good at them, he's a fine Reds Captain.

 

[USARugger]

QC (Quade Cooper) was getting around fine in 2013, two years after his knee injury.

He ran riot against the Force in 2015.

Something that's happened since is the reason he's fucked.

As with all things ailing the code at the moment, I blame the Frogs - for clarity.

 

[dillyboy]

As with all things ailing the code at the moment, I blame the Frogs - for clarity.

He has a missus these days....

Things first went to shit for Quade when he was with Stephanie Rice; they broke up and he played the house down again.

Now he's with that model - Laura somethingerather??. Sorry Laura, time to take one for the team and kick Quade to the curb....

 

[amirite]

I honestly think the problem with Aussie coaches is overblown.

If any other nation's teams rolled week-to-week against the Kiwis (best in the world) and the Saffas (2nd-4th best in the world consistently), they'd get beaten too.

It's also an odd year for Aus rugby as every team seems to have hit the year just before or just after a big rebuild at the same time, and results are never good in either of those years in any code. Plus, the whole 'cutting a team for financial reasons' debacle is terrible for moral.

If our teams were playing Pro12 they'd all be mid table or better, and that league is made up of professional teams from Tier 1 nations.