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David Codey (61)
That is the number one reason I would not have considered Matt O'Connor as head coach. As the "attack/backline" coach he was unable to train it out of him.
Jeez, you can't blame O'Connor for not making a silk purse out of a sows ear.

McIntyre is slow,without footwork, has a weak pass, no vision and a poor kicking game.

Which part of that package is the foundation for a pro fly half?

Blame the mug that recruited him.
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
Jeez, you can't blame O'Connor for not making a silk purse out of a sows ear.

McIntyre is slow,without footwork, has a weak pass, no vision and a poor kicking game.

Which part of that package is the foundation for a pro fly half?

Blame the mug that recruited him.


Mate, I still think that Jake can be a handy Super Rugby player. It just dumbfounded me that O'Connor couldn't coach him to run straight. I am not talking about anything else just running straight. I can remember being a 12 year old doing three on twos between markers to ensure you were face up to the defense after coming around the corner.
 

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Chilla Wilson (44)
It's almost as if most professional coaches don't mind if they 10 goes across field as long as other players run their channels and the 10 squares as he gives.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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John Thornett (49)
Yeah, the thing is Jake very often does not square as he gives and dishes balls with his hips facing the receiver.

Ffs it happens so regularly that you can see it multiple times in his own highlights reel..

 

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Jason Little (69)
Quade - was to be the saviour of the Reds this year. Again, I think if posters are honest in their evaluation he certainly has not been anywhere near that. IMO Lance has been the form 10 and who really would have predicted that.

Scrubber, I am a Lance fan, but he certainly did not shine against the Brumbies last week. At this stage, I think Quade is performing better than Jonno and is our best No 10 in the Aus conference.
 

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Jason Little (69)
Thanks BH, but I did pick it up and corrected it just before your post came through.:)

Edit : Thinking about it a bit more, maybe the Tahs could use someone of Dean's talents to teach them about defense and how to tackle.;)
 

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Mark Ella (57)
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I also reckon QC (Quade Cooper) would run rings around Dean, me old mate

Lance is safe, uses his outside backs pretty well and not afraid to attack the line himself (probably a little like a Foley)

Quade has just not found his mojo - odd flash here or there but still with plenty of errors.

He is the best option we have ATM but I'd like to see him step right up.
 

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Chilla Wilson (44)
Yeah, the thing is Jake very often does not square as he gives and dishes balls with his hips facing the receiver.

Ffs it happens so regularly that you can see it multiple times in his own highlights reel..

I only watched 3 minutes because I'm rushing out hte door, but I didn't see it once. Can you give specific examples?
 

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John Thornett (49)
I only watched 3 minutes because I'm rushing out hte door, but I didn't see it once. Can you give specific examples?


1:09 Jake takes his first step laterally and never fixates a drifting defender letting them swamp Ant where there would have been a lot of space otherwise because 12 was scared of Kerevi getting the ball and drifted too hard, leading to him sitting down when he tries to come back in on Ant and barely gets arms on him in time. Defensive error and magic from the centers creates something while Jake did them absolutely no favors here. His hips just never face the defensive line and he completely removes himself from the play by doing this. It's even fine for him to go more lateral as he's making the pass if he just takes two fucking steps forwards first. He's playing so far behind the line that there would have been almost no risk of him actually taking a hit and being tied up for the next phase even if he had squared up and been any kind of threat to the defense.

He's also passing off his inside leg here which is a pretty fundamental error (esp. off of a set play) for a guy playing Super Rugby. It leads to a weak pass and an even more exaggerated rotation of the trunk towards his intended receiver.

Good results does not mean everyone played well. (Even though in the clip before this he actually squares up before going out the back - lo' and behold we get an overlap and score a try, crazy..)

2:04 pretty much the same thing - catches the ball, immediately steps laterally off his back foot and then turns his hips out to the backline before passing. Also once again the defense provides real opportunity but this time we don't get as lucky and not much is made of the opportunity. I honestly don't know how Folau bit on that when Jake's hips were facing directly at the player he passed the ball to long before he made the pass. Jake is drifting so hard though that he actually runs in front of Samu and basically makes him a non-factor in the play, which the Tahs read well as they force the drift across onto the receiver, leading to him getting completely swamped by three guys instead of what should be been a half or possibly full break. If Jake had taken an angle forward and across instead of across and across before dishing, this becomes an entirely different movement and possibly one where Folau gift wraps us a try.

He doesn't need to do some Quade shit and make miracle passes within kissing distance of a defender to make me happy.. but playing so laterally at first receiver is not conducive to fluid and successful attacking rugby at any level. When he does these lateral runs before dishing without fixing he's taking both time and space away from his teammates. If he's going to play that laterally he needs to just release the ball far, far earlier than he has.

Dead Ball Area did a great analysis of QC (Quade Cooper) playing for the Reds against the Lions/Rebels in 2015 and there's a few examples in here of him doing the same types of movements I pointed out above, except executing the movements far better at 10:

You can see pretty much everything I talked about happening at least once in that video. Coming up and committing defenders in the line on crash balls, going forward before going lateral, moving the ball quickly if you are going to just go lateral without going forward, going lateral quickly on wrap plays, etc.

Those are the first pair I remember seeing and there's other instances throughout the rest of the video of him doing the same thing. I don't want to write a 5,000 word post right now and I need to make food before the match is on so I'm going to end here for now.
 

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Frank Nicholson (4)
In the little bit of time Jake had at the end of the Sharks game I thought he seemed a lot quicker and played much flatter than he did last year. He even did a loop!
 

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John Thornett (49)
In the little bit of time Jake had at the end of the Sharks game I thought he seemed a lot quicker and played much flatter than he did last year. He even did a loop!


Agreed and he definitely was in a way a victim of what seemed to be coaching direction leading to the entire team playing very far behind the line the last two years.
 

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Jason Little (69)
BR
I also reckon QC (Quade Cooper) would run rings around Dean, me old mate

Lance is safe, uses his outside backs pretty well and not afraid to attack the line himself (probably a little like a Foley)

Quade has just not found his mojo - odd flash here or there but still with plenty of errors.

He is the best option we have ATM but I'd like to see him step right up.

Scrubber, please see my post No 3209 above. For the record, I thought Hawera completely outplayed Jonno last weekend. While I agree he (Lance) is safe, I still say Quade is the better No 10 atm.
 

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Phil Kearns (64)
Quade was much improved in his last start and while Foley is still in the box seat the longer he's out the more chance quade has to impress.

That said if the wallaby centre pairing ends up being Beale and Kerevi, I'd probably prefer one of lance in 10 or hunt in 15.
 

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David Wilson (68)
It depends on what you want from your 10. And rather take a "one size fits all" you'd hope to settle your 10 prerequisits on how you want to play.

If your game is certainty and possession Lance beats Cooper hands down.

If your game wants to find opportunity and doesnt mind risk in order to achieve it, Cooper is your bloke. My bloke too.
 

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David Codey (61)
^^^^ it's crazy talk.
You can compare them both at their worst.
But QC (Quade Cooper) 1/2 way to his best, is grades above the best of Lance.

We just need to start seeing it from QC (Quade Cooper).
He's been throwing some nice balls, just need a few of them to result in 5 pointers.
 
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