Reds 2017

[Scrubber2050]

I do get worried that Stiles seemingly played down the value of sports science to correctly to determine the training loads that makes players optimally fit but uninjured. Sure maybe it's ok to flog them but do it at the right time and in the right amount. Old school isn't necessarily better just for the sake of it.

Reckon there is room for a bit of both. Old school AND Sports Science.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I think the strength and conditioning team should direct the player as to what standard of fitness they have to be if they want to get paid. Do fitness work in your own time.

Training should be on skills that will win us the game, if our players do not have enough interest to be fit then we will never win.

Obviously injuries can impact on this and has to be taken into account but if a player is fit then they need to watch after themselves, they are not children.

This is no different to expecting players to maintain fitness over Christmas and not return overweight.

s Hammer... said they train 2-3 times a day (certainly 2 I think). Surely a fitness regime can be fitted into the system early as the players probably don't have enough time to do it on their own.

Anyway, blokes smarter than me are running the show.

 

[Braveheart81]

I think the strength and conditioning team should direct the player as to what standard of fitness they have to be if they want to get paid. Do fitness work in your own time.

Training should be on skills that will win us the game, if our players do not have enough interest to be fit then we will never win.

Obviously injuries can impact on this and has to be taken into account but if a player is fit then they need to watch after themselves, they are not children.

This is no different to expecting players to maintain fitness over Christmas and not return overweight.

It's surely a combination of both. Players are expected to work on fitness in their own time but there is also a substantial amount of it as a team, particularly in the early preseason.

Leaving any aspect of the team's preparation just to the players outside of training time is likely to result in that element being substandard.

 

[I like to watch]

Without doubt,everyone participating,whether fully contracted or not.
Would have a personally designed program from the Reds S & C .

 

[TOCC]

Every professional sporting team in the world would prefer to run the S&C In house rather the leaving it up to the players, even extras should be done under the gaze of a trainer to manage fatigue levels.

 

[bloodred]

I'm sure Stilesy will have input from all areas. He, at the end of the day, is responsible for the result in terms of win/ loss. He wont be ignoring good advice

 

[amirite]

I think the strength and conditioning team should direct the player as to what standard of fitness they have to be if they want to get paid. Do fitness work in your own time

That is ridiculous.

If we presume a player can get the best out of rugby performance when guided by a professional rugby coach, why not the same for metabolic conditioning, strength/power, speed, and diet/skinfolds coaching?

It's all part-and-parcel of performance and should be part of a balanced overall workload by one system.

 

[hammertimethere]

Reckon there is room for a bit of both. Old school AND Sports Science.

I agree scrub, maybe 80-20

 

[Scrubber2050]

I agree scrub, maybe 80-20

Hammer

It's the old 80/20 Rule

 

[Scoey]

Liam Gill has won the Pilecki Medal for a second year in a row this year with 282 votes. Hendrick Tui cam second (229) and Samu Kerevi came third (201).

Good work Gilly!

 

[emuarse]

We've now moved on from the 'gear' discussion at the nadir of the Reds year, to the skills and S & C debate.
I can feel a rugby season coming on. Just the first whiffs of it.

When we get to injuries at training, we'll know its just around the corner.
SIGH

 

[amirite]

We've now moved on from the 'gear' discussion at the nadir of the Reds year, to the skills and S & C debate.
I can feel a rugby season coming on. Just the first whiffs of it.

When we get to injuries at training, we'll know its just around the corner.
SIGH

If S&C isn't part of building a team for the season IDK what is.

 

[Beer Baron]

We've now moved on from the 'gear' discussion at the nadir of the Reds year, to the skills and S & C debate.
I can feel a rugby season coming on. Just the first whiffs of it.

When we get to injuries at training, we'll know its just around the corner.
SIGH

a scandal is also probably due.

although this isnt loig so the airwaves will stay quiet...fortunately

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[Hugh Jarse]

The Reds need to do something different in the pre-season because whatever they have been doing in the past hasn't worked.

Maybe Styles just wants to prove that he will make a difference by doing things differently.

 

[RedsHappy]

Media re L Gill's award, C-M link below. A Reds' Gala Ball 'cannot be afforded'. 12+ positions within QRU gone since mid-2016 (was RR referring to a D Herbert departure from the QRU above?).

Also this text re the IMO very unfortunate departure of Mack Mason to the Tahs FFS. If as the article states he was 'no 4 in line' re a Reds' 10 for 2017, that's a screaming joke. He's vastly more talented than J McIntyre.

"The Australian Rugby Union’s flawed contracting laws were exposed again on Tuesday when Queensland Under-20s flyhalf Mack Mason was unveiled in the NSW Waratahs squad.​

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Mason had a two-year deal with the Reds which included next season as did sharp fullback Tom Banks, 22, who has been swooped on by the ACT Brumbies.​

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Because both were on development-level contracts with the Reds, there was no protection in the ARU’s rules when rival clubs came knocking with a few extra dollars.​

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In the Banks situation, yet again the Reds or Waratahs have paid the costs of developing a player only for another club to sit back and poach when a year of professional training has already been invested.​

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Equally, the Reds had rated Banks as their No.3 fullback and Mason as their No.4 option at flyhalf so they both did what young impatient players most often do."​

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...n/news-story/5c7700ee6a2b9172d3fc2352997fdbee

 

[Beer Baron]

The Reds need to do something different in the pre-season because whatever they have been doing in the past hasn't worked.

Maybe Styles just wants to prove that he will make a difference by doing things differently.

RG not running it is a good start....

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[upthereds#!]

hearing a massive lack of faith in the new CEO to actually make some serious changes. However, he is hamstrung by the massive financial issues. Staff arn't just being made redundant, a number of staff have been leaving also as the burden of taking up the slack with no recognition, time in lieu, benefits etc takes its toll on near minimum wage workers particuarly in the memberships team. Apparently getting short staffed to the point of stagnation. Not enough people to do the work properly, therefore a small amount of staff getting bombarded so unfortunately its a sub par result and no money to get people in to do the work.

 

[upthereds#!]

Truly hope the positive team news continues to flow, pushing membership interest back up along with $, even though for now the business cogs of the QRU are struggling to turn over.

Thank god they recruited some big names and ditched RG, otherwise they would have no hope to recover.

 

[RugbyReg]

Saw Stylesie on the news saying they were going to change preseason by doing more Rugby and take some of the emphasis of strength and conditioning. Hopefully this translate to more skills come Feb.

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They did a fair bit of S&C work in their first pre-season hit out. I think they'll combine the two areas, as others have suggested. It should be pretty physical skill work. But they need to do heaps on their skills, so I'm happy with that focus.

 

[Beer Baron]

hearing a massive lack of faith in the new CEO to actually make some serious changes. However, he is hamstrung by the massive financial issues. Staff arn't just being made redundant, a number of staff have been leaving also as the burden of taking up the slack with no recognition, time in lieu, benefits etc takes its toll on near minimum wage workers particuarly in the memberships team. Apparently getting short staffed to the point of stagnation. Not enough people to do the work properly, therefore a small amount of staff getting bombarded so unfortunately its a sub par result and no money to get people in to do the work.

a few on stress leave too rumour has it

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