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Train Without a Station

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The issue isn't the ownership models, it's the people employed. I fail to understand how a private owner would change anything with all of the same administration teams in place currently, unless they were willing to just dump money into the place. Australia doesn't really have a history of these people either.

Guess my point is the issue should be current poor administration teams, not the ownership.
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
Mark my word: from around 2016 on, we ARE going to need more total $ funds in our S15/NRC units to (a) retain our best players vs offers from the increasingly affluent NH (and where the ARU is reducing player payments here to avert its insolvency over time) and (b) hold off our good young players taking better pay offers from league given league's growing game-wide affluence.

Yes, I have been posting here for 4 years re the appalling quality of Aus rugby's management elites in general (and, sadly, every element of my concern has been confirmed by events since). This has been a huge factor in Aus rugby's decline and its present struggles commercially and financially.

But that's not the only problem we face, we're going to need more total investment into the code if it's to survive and prosper here ever again.

As we have managed our code very poorly here since 2003 and with awful consequences derived from that, other rugby nations have simultaneously found ways to grow and further enrich the code. Double whammy time is looming up.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Gee with such insight, it would amaze me the job title you must hold. We are so lucky to hear your on point and valid opinions that have such strong foundation. Look forward to reading more of the good stuff. Keep it up.


I'm in IT. So I have the sense to see things, the skill to do things, but am unwilling to stab enough people in the back to make more money out of it. Plus I'm just too fucking lazy to contract (and the wife would hate the uncertainty), and its far easier to snipe on rugby forums from the comfort of my keyboard.

I've done management - the pay is good but the dealing with humans sucks, and I never got to see my kids.


I reckon the only time you have been called a devilish stud,is when you are talking about yourself in the 3rd person!


Hey! I resemble that remark!

Anyway, gotta feel for Lachie Turner. It must be the hardest thing to be an injured pro sportsman. You'd have to question yourself a lot, and wonder if your body just wasn't up to it.

5 weeks does seem short, but surgery has come a long fucking way from the hand saws and cleavers that @cyclopath trained with ;)
 
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TOCC

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The issue isn't the ownership models, it's the people employed. I fail to understand how a private owner would change anything with all of the same administration teams in place currently, unless they were willing to just dump money into the place. Australia doesn't really have a history of these people either.

Guess my point is the issue should be current poor administration teams, not the ownership.

Precisely, the value of the game is a reflection of the administration running it, whether bygones had good intentions or not is irrelevant, the game growth has stalled in the face of growing competition...

Yes private investment has the potential to inject capital, but Australia as a whole doesn't have a history of successful private Investment in sporting franchises, in many cases it has occurred at the detriment of the game.

Yes the 'right person' would be one who is willing to sacrifice $millions annually, whilst retaining a minority share and taking a backseat to the running of the franchise, but how many of those people really exists in Australia, if any?

QLD has demonstrated what good management can do to an organisation, imagine the interest in the code if NSW had the same proportionate success, the interface rivalry would be fierce, crowds, sponsors and viewers would be flocking..


There are many areas the code can improve, leveraging private investment is definitely one of them, but it's not the holy grail.
 
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Train Without a Station

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It's something that appears to be popular in European and American Sport. But these have much more profitable (those that are successful anyway) franchises than Australia does.

In Australia what examples are there beyond Crowe, Eccstein, Skase, Tinkler, Palmer and Mitchell? Only one of them could really be considered to be a success at this stage couldn't it?
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
It's something that appears to be popular in European and American Sport. But these have much more profitable (those that are successful anyway) franchises than Australia does.


Don't the US-based organisations like NFL have a far wider control base though? Like the organisation itself owns the broadcast rights and has their own film units etc.
 
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Train Without a Station

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They're just bigger business in bigger markets was more what I was getting at. As far as I'm aware the NFL themselves negotiates the broadcast rights as a whole - could be way off the mark though.
 

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Chilla Wilson (44)
Good point Parse. Discussion of the pros & cons of private ownership of sporting clubs probably needs to go into another thread.

So, now that Turner & Shipperly are sitting on the sidelines for a while what depth is going to be shown on the wings?
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
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Actually, this debate re the merits/demerits of private investment in State RUs/S15 teams is in fact hugely relevant to the Reds..........maybe not Reds 2014 I grant you that, but I'd wager it'll be bloody relevant to the Reds 2016-2018. So, perhaps we're just a bit too early with our debate is all.
 

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John Thornett (49)
The NFL doles out broadcast rights to several networks for a total of ~$39b. This revenue gets split between all the clubs and is primarily used to pay the players. This allows teams like Green Bay to field competitive teams regardless of market.

Most NFL stadiums are owned by the franchise itself. It's completely fucked but usually taxpayers end up footing most of the bill for what is literally a private construction process. The takings for a sellout game can be $2-3m with the home team taking 60% and the away team 40%.

Alternate use of the stadium is also a major revenue stream for some of these organizations.
 
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Train Without a Station

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Actually, this debate re the merits/demerits of private investment in State RUs/S15 teams is in fact hugely relevant to the Reds....maybe not Reds 2014 I grant you that, but I'd wager it'll be bloody relevant to the Reds 2016-2018. So, perhaps we're just a bit too early with our debate is all.

Yes but the issue is where's the billionaire wanting to stump up the cash for the Reds to be there plaything?

And beyond somebody willing to just dump money into the team for no return, how will a profitable organisation improve through this?

Perhaps preventing any organisational malaise but can't quite understand what else.
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
Don't underrate the effect of organisational malaise.
People with skin in the game are invariably more effective than people who are there solely for a paycheck,or prestige.
The ARU being a perfect example.
Successful businessmen in their own fields,have been totally ineffective in their board roles with the ARU.
 

Parse

Bill Watson (15)
Going back to Turner and Shipperly on the bench (suckerforred's post). I don't see a problem with that. We have depth in the backs and I think even the inexperienced will end up looking a lot better then they really are. Why? Simply because Quade is picking his runners perfectly. The one thing I really have noticed this year is his selection of who to pass it to, others see this as silly long cutout passes but just about every pass I see he is passing it to the guy in the line that appears to have half a gap in front of him. Yes, he has made CFS and Taps etc all look a lot better then they really are, simply because they get hit with this pass when they have half a chance of beating the guy in front due to alignment and direction.

I agree with most others here, we need to find that mongrel backrower that just charges on to the ball at full pace, puts his head down and sends all power to the legs.
 

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Chilla Wilson (44)
I agree with you Parse, to an extent. I guess I was looking more long term if they are out for more than the 2-5 weeks that is expected.

It will be good to see the young guys get a run and see who might be ready for that step up.

Happy to see CFS back this weekend. Interesting that he has been named on the wing.
 

Parse

Bill Watson (15)
Dunno, but my guess is because of the lack of cattle.

Ok, who have we got to play wing. There's Rod and....................

:confused:

Hey Chris, you wanna play wing this week?
 

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Larry Dwyer (12)
I was trying to type in a Samoa-by-way-of-New-Zealand accent to imitate Chris Feauai-Sautia's response but it was looking suuuuper racist; JaJar Binks racist.
 
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