Rebels 2018

[Slim 293]

In fact I would barrack for any African, Japanese, Argentine or even NZ team over the Rebels.

Meh, patriotism is for suckers...........

I've always barracked for overseas teams over my Australian rivals....... it's a conference system.

 

[Highlander35]

Apart from the Force in other derbies, I've never "supported" a non Rebels Australian team before the playoffs.

 

[daz]

Yep, and as long as my team is fighting for position against every other Oz team, I’ll chuck my support behind any team playing another Oz team.

I don’t support another Oz team at finals time if my team is not part of it.

There is no such thing as a second team.

To hell with the rest of you, it’s a competition, not a social gathering.

Let’s not pretend otherwise, ok? So put your high-horses and righteousness away, and I’ll see you when Super Rugby is parked up and International Rugby kicks off.

 

[jimmydubs]

I'm not sure whether I'm shocked by the lack of humility of the rebel supporters given all that has occurred or if it is an expected outcome for a team that is, financially speaking, 'circling the bowl'.

 

[Highlander35]

Where does humility come into it?

For the first time I can recall in Australian Rugby, a domestic side is acting like a self preserving professional outfit rather than a boys club: the squad we've assembled and the actions around player release are a result of that, and hell yeah I'm going to bask in the envy. This particularly from the reds who're expecting us to pick up the slack for their backroom incompetence.

EDIT: This does mostly apply to NSW & QLD. The Brumbies list management in general has been excellent and outside this casino nonsense, so has most of the backroom stuff.

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[GoMelbRebels]

I'm not sure whether I'm shocked by the lack of humility of the rebel supporters given all that has occurred or if it is an expected outcome for a team that is, financially speaking, 'circling the bowl'.

I think we had a lot of humility for what happened. Now the season has almost started, though - humility be gone - time to break out the arrogance! This season is do or die in my opinion, so we are going for it in a big way!

 

[Scrubber2050]

^^^^^^^^
You mob will "die" as usual , won't be much doing.

Can only hope the Australian Conference goes
Reds
Tahs
Brumbies


Rebels

 

[GoMelbRebels]

^^^^^^^^
You mob will "die" as usual , won't be much doing.

Can only hope the Australian Conference goes
Reds
Tahs
Brumbies


Rebels

You do know “Scrubber” is a derogatory name, right? Anyway, I have noted your conference order. We shall compare notes come season’s end.

 

[Highlander35]

Caspian Sea levels of Salt from Scrubber.

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[amirite]

I'm not sure whether I'm shocked by the lack of humility of the rebel supporters given all that has occurred or if it is an expected outcome for a team that is, financially speaking, 'circling the bowl'.

In all fairness, I think you're debating with one or two passionate people on a forum. That's the most diehard of the most diehard fans. Hardly a population sample size.

 

[TOCC]

In all fairness, I think you're debating with one or two passionate people on a forum. That's the most diehard of the most diehard fans. Hardly a population sample size.

I think so too...
I want all Aussie teams to do well, strong competition from all teams and high quality games is what’s needed to get the crowds back and help the Wallabies performances.

 

[Scrubber2050]

You do know “Scrubber” is a derogatory name, right? Anyway, I have noted your conference order. We shall compare notes come season’s end.

The word "Scrubber" has many meanings. The one I favour is as follows: The thing about scrubbers – Central Station www.centralstation.net.au/the-thing-about-scrubbers/ Jul 16, 2013 - Host: Wongawol Station. In the pastoral industry, a “scrub” (also known as a “scrubber”, or “scrub bull”) is a male cattle who escaped castration early on in life. Or, as once said on McLeods daughters 'A bull with balls'

 

[Tex]

I'm not sure whether I'm shocked by the lack of humility of the rebel supporters given all that has occurred or if it is an expected outcome for a team that is, financially speaking, 'circling the bowl'.

Humility? Mate, colloquially speaking, get stuffed. It's the response of supporters who have been reamed emotionally for the last 12 months and are definitely not seeking the permission of other unions and their fans to be a bit parochial and tribal. If the attitude of some of us in here causes you to swap your '2nd team' for another (are you a 12 year old trading pokemon cards?!), then so be it.

 

[Tex]

The word "Scrubber" has many meanings. The one I favour is as follows: The thing about scrubbers – Central Station www.centralstation.net.au/the-thing-about-scrubbers/ Jul 16, 2013 - Host: Wongawol Station. In the pastoral industry, a “scrub” (also known as a “scrubber”, or “scrub bull”) is a male cattle who escaped castration early on in life. Or, as once said on McLeods daughters 'A bull with balls'

I'd always thought you were referring to a scrub bull.

 

[Rebels3]

God, some of the dross i've caught up with here from the past 24hrs on this forum.

I for one hope all Aussie teams go well, i'd love it if it was the Rebels on top, but i will also be cheering on the other Aussie teams. I'd go as far as to say, if someone told me one Australian team was guaranteed to win the competition but it can't be the Rebels this year, id take it every day of the week, just because i want whats best for our struggling game.

As for stock piling of talent, the reason why i don't think any of us Rebels fans care too much, is that this is the first time money has been seriously spent on the playing roster. Despite all the administration dollars the Rebels have wasted, RA has never directed any of that towards the roster, which i believe is one of the major issues the Rebels and Force over the years have been a flop on the field and coincidentally a flop off the field. Lets not forget that last season the Tahs received almost 20x the ARU top up money of the Rebels and almost 10x that of the Force (from memory $2.4m tahs, $1.2m Reds, $1m Brums, $250k Force, $125k Rebs).

Going forward hopefully the Rebels will have some success this year which will go a long way to creating some off field success. The Tahs, fingers crossed, will stay healthy and push for a play off spot. They haven't got much depth, but hopefully a gem or 2 can come through the ranks to rectify that by seasons end. The Reds should be where RA beyond this season should be focused, retention of Tui, Rodda, DP, Perese, Tupou, (get Magnay back) should be high on their list of importance, keep these players and in 3yrs time build a very good squad around them with hopefully other kids that are just as talented as this lot is coming through the ranks to compliment what would then be an experienced veteran group. Brumbies will be fine as always.

Perfect scenario for me would be each team making a playoff appearance at least once throughout a 4 year cycle.

 

[Tex]

Yep, and as long as my team is fighting for position against every other Oz team, I’ll chuck my support behind any team playing another Oz team.

I don’t support another Oz team at finals time if my team is not part of it.

There is no such thing as a second team.

To hell with the rest of you, it’s a competition, not a social gathering.

Let’s not pretend otherwise, ok? So put your high-horses and righteousness away, and I’ll see you when Super Rugby is parked up and International Rugby kicks off.

Where do I sign up for this manifesto. Totally agree, daz. I'll cease hostilities with the rest of this forum when the winter internationals kick off.

 

[RugbyReg]

Perfectly happy to have the Rebels suck up every decent player in the country, win the conference, attend finals, have a crack at the title, and have a high representation at Wallaby level every year.

Not a supporter in the country who doesn’t want the same thing for their team.

And please don’t tell me the Rebels need to rationalise with the other 3 teams for the good of the code in this country, or that any Rebels success will be manufactured or based on the ashes of another team. I couldn’t care less.

And as for the salary cap, that’s an issue for the Rebels management and RA. They clearly know what’s going on, and have some kind of agreement in place, whether some like it or not.

Selfish? You bet. Win or lose, I am a Rebels supporter; I don’t recall that position implying I had to share my support with any other team, or hope they are successful in any way.

I don't totally agree. Particularly in the suggestion that any supporter in the country would want their team to suck up all the talent in the country. If the Reds opted to start just signing big names to fill their team, overlooking the talent coming through their system, then I'd find it pretty hard to support them. No doubt I would still watch and enjoy wins, but I would lose the connection. Now there's two reasons for that, which puts the Reds in a different pot than the Rebels. The first is the history of the Reds - we have one and I grew up supporting this QLD team as a team that represented the state. It's not quite like that these days, but the history is still relevant and important. The 2nd difference is the talent pool. QLD obviously has the infrastructure and pathways in that the likes of Rodda, Hockings, Blythe, Wright, Scott-Young, Tuttle, McDermott, Stewart, Paia'aua etc are identified and worked through the system. The Rebels obviously don't have the same structure, well not with the history of success and quantity. So that's where I differ. I'd always prefer the development of home grown players to success than pure buying success. But I get why the Rebels do it. As for cheering other Aussie teams? Yeah I do it. It doesn't cut me up inside if they lose like it does when the Reds, but there's no way I cheer for a SAF or NZL team over an Aussie team? That just seems ludicrous to me. But each to their own.

 

[Silverado]

^^^^
Totally agree. Reds and Waratahs got a lot of negative backlash for not chasing Force players, but as s NSW supporter I'd prefer to bring through our juniors as the Reds obviously do to. It'll make it a more even spread over the teams while maintaining some tribal connections


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[daz]

I don't totally agree. Particularly in the suggestion that any supporter in the country would want their team to suck up all the talent in the country..

Don't get me wrong, if the Rebels had a solid home-grown talent pool churning out the best players in each position on the team, I'd happily take them. But we don't, so I'm very happy to poach yours, or anyone else's. I'm also thrilled to keep good players on the pine at my club, if that means you can't have them. Have to agree to disagree on the support of other Oz conference teams. I admit quite openly that I am happy to see them lose, simply because my team is fighting for position, and therefore finals spots, against them. Unlike may of you, I draw no line between Super Rugby and Wallabies rugby during the Super Rugby season, even though one clearly feeds into the other. In that respect, I guess I follow two competitions separate from each other, Super Rugby and Wallabies. Yes, I am aware of the conflicting fact that I want guys like Beale, Folau, etc, etc to perform well in Gold, whilst wishing nothing but poor form and bonus point losses on them during the Super Rugby season. Plenty of time for them to remember how to play good rugby during Wallabies camp. I just don't see why I should care about other Super Rugby teams in competition with my team, just because they are Australian. That is my view, and I respect that others may hold different views; that doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Bottom line, and I readily admit the narcissistic nature of this, but I could care less about the good of rugby in Oz, or working hand in hand with other state unions. That's RA's thing to work out, not mine. As long as I have a team to follow, I'm happy. And if it all turns to poo and the Rebels one day cease to exist, I'll just find something else to do until the Wallabies suit up. Gotta be truthful, I'm not that invested outside of the Rebels/Wallabies.

 

[TOCC]

Bottom line, and I readily admit the narcissistic nature of this, but I could care less about the good of rugby in Oz, or working hand in hand with other state unions. That's RA's thing to work out, not mine. As long as I have a team to follow, I'm happy.

Ironically if rugby in oz doesn't improve, if super rugby crowds and ratings continue to fall and the Wallabies continue to play abysmally, then you won't have a team to support 2 years from now. Sometimes the least selfish option is necessary to actually get what you want.