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Rebels 2017

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WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
That would suggest that the Americas could support five good second-tier teams - Argentina (first tier), USA, Canada, Brazil and Uruguay. If we can get two teams out of Argentina by 2020 then that's the fourth Super Rugby conference tied up


Well, Uruguay are integrating more and more with the Argentine system each season. They have their A tram playing in the Compenato structure just earning promotion to the 2nd division and should be competitive. They also have their best 3 or 4 clubs competing in the Nacionales de Clubs. Add to their increased contracting of players and centralisation of HPU operations and they do seem to be moving toward something.

Brazil are actually restructuring their traditional top tier competition in the Super 8 to more regional based competitions feeding into the the new Super 8 structure where it is just finalists, this is done not only to reduce cost but make room for a new Academies league which will be based on their current HPU centres.
 

Marcelo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Brazil has around 30k players at the moment.


I know the Brazilian Rugby very well, they have 12k registered players and with the program: "Get into rugby" about 60k players has played rugby in the last year but only 12k are regular players, the others 48k are casual players.

This is an recent interview to the CEO of Brazilian Rugby in an Argentinean rugby website:

http://www.rugbyfun.com.ar/2017/01/64410/

His name is Agustin Danza, he's from Argentina and he said this:

"In Brazil are 60 thousand people who play rugby, 12 thousand who do it every weekend and who train in clubs"
 

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
I know the Brazilian Rugby very well, they have 12k registered players and with the program: "Get into rugby" about 60k players has played rugby in the last year but only 12k are regular players, the others 48k are casual players.

This is an recent interview to the CEO of Brazilian Rugby in an Argentinean rugby website:

http://www.rugbyfun.com.ar/2017/01/64410/

His name is Agustin Danza, he's from Argentina and he said this:

"In Brazil are 60 thousand people who play rugby, 12 thousand who do it every weekend and who train in clubs"


Well, I'm going off someone who is involved in the game in Brazil. He also notes that the CBRU only recognizes 6 states in their Union and thus only gather their official numbers from those states.
 

Marcelo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Well, I'm going off someone who is involved in the game in Brazil. He also notes that the CBRU only recognizes 6 states in their Union and thus only gather their official numbers from those states.


I know some players of the Brazilian national team called: "Los Tupís" (It's the name of a tribe of aborigines native to South America) and it's true in part. There are more than 12k players in Brazil, but most of them are casual players involved in the program: "Get into rugby" running by World Rugby. They play a few times per year, so they aren't regular rugby players and aren't involved in the game all the year.

Brazil is one of the largest countries in the world, similar to Australia. There are vast of part of the territories that aren't populated. The centre of Brazil is a huge desert of people like Australia, there is the Amazonia, the Amazon jungle. So to connect the big cities in Brazil is very dificult by the long distances. Brazil has big cities in the north but aren't connected with the important cities that are in the southeast as San Pablo and Rio de Janeiro.

In that sense it's similar to Australia, in the southeast are the most important cities of the country as in Australia: Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne. If you want to connect with other cities you have to travel the same distance between Sydney and Perth or Sydney and Darwin, so some cities are very different in their customs.

Brazilian rugby is established in the southeast, in the most powerful cities, but it is still a small code. Expanding the code to such distant cities is not economically rewarded, so they prefer to keep their resources in the main area. Similar to the current situation in OZ, where rugby is established in NSW, QLD and ACT. And it's difficult to expand the code to other states as far away as Western Australia.
 

Mr Wobbly

Alan Cameron (40)
So, how 'bout them Rebels, eh?

Anyone reading anything into the selections for the trial game tonight?

Retallick, Cummins, LT at 4,5 & 6.
Mitch at 13

I'd guess that TT is starting JG-B and Maddocks to have a look at them.

Two hookers and no reserve lock on the bench is a bit of a plot twist though.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Interesting that LT is scheduled to play 6. Would have thought he'd be either lock (to fit into TT's plans) or 8 (to fit into Cheika's plans).
 

swingpass

Peter Sullivan (51)
Interesting that LT is scheduled to play 6. Would have thought he'd be either lock (to fit into TT's plans) or 8 (to fit into Cheika's plans).

just a trial, and i think the Rebels long term back 5 plans are in flux because of the injuries to Jeffries, Toolis, McMahaon. I suppose they want to see if Harley Fox can cut it at super level, he was one of the the Rising's better and more consistent performers in the NRC. i would think that LT will move into the second row and Schatz to 8 at some stage. also no Fa'inga and who is Nick Kellaway ?
 

GoMelbRebels

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
just a trial, and i think the Rebels long term back 5 plans are in flux because of the injuries to Jeffries, Toolis, McMahaon. I suppose they want to see if Harley Fox can cut it at super level, he was one of the the Rising's better and more consistent performers in the NRC. i would think that LT will move into the second row and Schatz to 8 at some stage. also no Fa'inga and who is Nick Kellaway ?
Nick is Andrew's twin bro. Plays for Randwick. Position? I dunno.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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The Kellaway twins.

Brothers-in-arms.jpg


P.S. I love it when the most appropriate result from my google image search is a GAGR photo! Credit to whoever took it (years ago).
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
Article in the Australian today isn't bad,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/a944283b19fcbb174f1252294a7382c6

"Rebels coach Tony McGahan has vowed to adopt a more expansive attacking approach to make use of potentially the most destructive wing pairing in the Super Rugby competition.
With NRL convert Marika Koroibete taking one wing and Wallabies powerhouse Sefa Naivalu on the other, McGahan is salivating at the thought of the two in full flight.
“We’ve got to work out clever ways of getting them the ball and getting them involved — that’s the key part,” McGahan said."
All good in theory, than the article mentions that both 10's on Monday were poor.

"Kiwi recruit Jackson Garden-Bachop and last year’s fly-half Jack Debreczeni each had quiet games, struggling to make an impact with their team consistently making errors and putting themselves under pressure."
 

amirite

Chilla Wilson (44)
Has there literally ever been a coach that has said in preseason that they want to adopt a less expansive approach?

Saying you want to play expansively is one of those nothing-y preseason statements, because blind Freddie could see that not every team plays 'expansively', least of all 1v1 contest focused Tony McGahan.

Picture this article:
Rebels coach Amirite has vowed to adopt a less expansive approach to make use of their strengths.

"We've looked at the strengths and skill-sets of our playing group and while we have great defenders, excellent set piece, and accurate kickers-from-hand, we just don't have the pace and skills to go forward consistently past 3 or 4 phases." Amirite said. "So, pragmatically, we've decided that we'll focus on being less expansive and applying pressure with our strengths."

"At the end of the day winning is what we and our fans are most concerned about, so for us it's just about only taking risks in the right parts of the field, and really sucking the life out of the opposition."
 

dru

David Wilson (68)
Amarite, they would use some of the following:
1. focus on mistake free rugby
2. Possession is fundamental to scoring
3. Intelligent kicking
4. back to basics
5. D wins most games

Yes it's done, you just have to look for the word indicators.

In this case case "expansive" is backed up with identifying the two wing flyers and a need to get them engaged. It's pre-season, surely Force fans can be allowed a little enthusiasm!
 

amirite

Chilla Wilson (44)
Given our 2nd row issues, we could do worse than sign Dan Heenan on a short term contract in his Japanese off season.
 
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