Rebels 2015

[Braveheart81]

On the flipside, the young player who misses out on a few games so Johnny Wilkinson can play will get to train etc. with one of the greats of the modern game.

I think there's plenty of potential benefit despite a player like that taking gametime away from someone else.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Let's face it, if a guy is the 6th best flyhalf, he's highly unlikely to be a Super Rugby player. He will basically become a better Shute Shield player.

If they got Wilkinson it would be a massive coup which would generate a lot of interest, especially from British ex-pats, which may give the comp some early momentum.

Ain't gonna develop shit if the comp fails commercially.

 

[I like to watch]

Hang on,it may not even be the sixth best.
For example, the Rays could have 3 of the top rated 10's in the comp.
That means that 2 of the best 10's could be watching 3 lower rated 10's start in this new comp,by virtue of the composition of the franchises.
There will never ever be a perfect system.
I reckon a lot of 10's would appreciate being an understudy to a player of this calibre anyway.

 

[oztimmay]

Ben Meehan has agreed to terms for another two years.

 

[Train Without a Station]

ILTW Dave and I had the discussion on this previously, but is that how the system is in place?

Would teams not, if better players coming from other club systems are available, recruit them to their NRC team? That's what happens for a Super Rugby team and any other sporting competition.

Obviously due to familiarity you will favour locals, but barring contractual constraints, won't players move as there is opportunity?

 

[I like to watch]

Maybe in theory,but I understand the Rays have already selected a squad and are well on their way.
The Rays announced they will be appointing Blake's replacement from one if the other 3 clubs.
They see their charter as a development of players within the 4 clubs.
Success in the new comp is an added bonus,not the sole reason for participating.
IMHO.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Surely though for example, if a player is the 2nd best flyhalf in the Shute Shield and he's from Paramatta, whilst the best is from Souths, if he has designs on playing at the best level he can he's not going to stay at Paramatta and by association the Rams, if the Rays would be interested in him.

Obviously I'd imagine that NRC teams would want any players to come over to one of their clubs, but this is no different to the current Super Rugby arrangement. These teams surely would not forgo access to the best players based on where they played last season. I could understand them wanting the players based in their region going forward of course.

 

[Braveheart81]

The biggest challenge will be for the Rebels and Force trying to balance having a strong team of their own and making sure their players get a decent crack.

Maybe Jack Debreczeni heads back to the Rams because he'd be behind Hegarty at the Rebels?

On the flipside, the Waratahs will probably be wanting Ben Volavola to play flyhalf for the Rams.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Also the Rebels will want to have direct access to their players in order to monitor and manage things like workload, training loads, injury, S & C progress, etc. Spending 10 weeks interstate will make this more difficult than it is currently. Their interest for the following Super Rugby season needs to be remembered also.

 

[TOCC]

I'm not sure why this argument is in this thread, but including Wilkinson in a team would be a massive boost for the NRC regardless of which way you look at it..

Like BH mentioned, players who get to play and train beside him will learn a lot, just witnessing his renowned training ethic and meticulous preparation alone will leave a lasting impression..

it will also give an incredible marketing boost to the comp and give it some credibility. Whether the 6th best fly-half in NSW misses out on game time is largely irrelevant when talking about the benefits to the NRC..

 

[Dene]

No Mitchell?

If he stays we could have:

9. Burgess
10. Hegarty
11. Kingston
12. Inman
13. English
14. Crawford
15. Harris

Or if you like a play maker in 12:

9. Burgess
10. Hegarty
11. Kingston
12. Harris
13. Inman
14. English
15. Crawford

Both of which are better than okay.

That being said, where's the Crawford mail coming from?

 

[Omar Comin']

It will also give an incredible marketing boost to the comp and give it some credibility. Whether the 6th best fly-half in NSW misses out on game time is largely irrelevant when talking about the benefits to the NRC..

Exactly. If teams are willing to spend their own money to bring in a marquee player (one not signed to an Australian super rugby side) then they should be able to.

Imagine if both Wilkinson and Brian O'Driscoll played in the inaugural NRC. It would be a huge shot in the arm to the competition.

 

[Dave Beat]

Surely though for example, if a player is the 2nd best flyhalf in the Shute Shield and he's from Paramatta, whilst the best is from Souths, if he has designs on playing at the best level he can he's not going to stay at Paramatta and by association the Rams, if the Rays would be interested in him.

Obviously I'd imagine that NRC teams would want any players to come over to one of their clubs, but this is no different to the current Super Rugby arrangement. These teams surely would not forgo access to the best players based on where they played last season. I could understand them wanting the players based in their region going forward of course.

I'll play my concern out in this methodology.
Let's say despite all my protesting a random club got granted stand alone in the NRC - let's use Penrith as an example.

So they have no S15 players now, and haven't won a game. I'm rather sure players would gravitate there next year for the SS and the NRC because they are stand alone.

I have always like the geographical rep structure we now have, and ILTW said their charter is development within the 4 clubs.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Dave I do understand your view and concern. But which should the ARU enable the best even playing field if it comes down to one or the other? The one that after a century required ARU grants to ensure solvency, or the one that they are developing into a TV product and superior development tool for commercial gain?

It's a little harsh, but for the better of Australian rugby as a whole, I know which one I would choose.

 

[Dave Beat]

Dave I do understand your view and concern. But which should the ARU enable the best even playing field if it comes down to one or the other? The one that after a century required ARU grants to ensure solvency, or the one that they are developing into a TV product and superior development tool for commercial gain?

It's a little harsh, but for the better of Australian rugby as a whole, I know which one I would choose.

Which one?
I want what is for the good of rugby.
Brumbies won tittle whilst players played is Sydney.
I also want to see rugby grow in WA and VIC I think I saw 4 WA plays in the U20 team.

Don't need to aura point when we both share a similar goal.
Yeah I like see Manly players getting to Super level, and get frustrated when they have to play subbies

 

[qwerty51]

Steve Cummins on the bench against Wales tomorrow, not bad going from 2nd grade to playing Wales in a couple of weeks.

 

[oztimmay]

Steve Cummins on the bench against Wales tomorrow, not bad going from 2nd grade to playing Wales in a couple of weeks.

And coached by king Carlos spencer. There's a blast from the past.

 

[Braveheart81]

I'll play my concern out in this methodology.
Let's say despite all my protesting a random club got granted stand alone in the NRC - let's use Penrith as an example.

So they have no S15 players now, and haven't won a game. I'm rather sure players would gravitate there next year for the SS and the NRC because they are stand alone.

I have always like the geographical rep structure we now have, and ILTW said their charter is development within the 4 clubs.

Yes, players probably would start gravitating towards Penrith if they had the resources to have a stand alone NRC team.

If they had the resources to have a stand alone NRC team, they wouldn't be bottom of the table with zero wins and zero Super Rugby players in the Shute Shield.

 

[Dave Beat]

Yes, players probably would start gravitating towards Penrith if they had the resources to have a stand alone NRC team.

If they had the resources to have a stand alone NRC team, they wouldn't be bottom of the table with zero wins and zero Super Rugby players in the Shute Shield.

they won on the weekend.

 

[Highlander35]

So... how about them Rebels?

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