RC - Wallabies vs Springboks, Gold Coast Sunday 12 September 8:05 PM

[formerflanker]

Yep and I understand that FP and agree, but suddenly it changes because this woman is impressed he kicked a goal?

"This woman" is in the middle of a Labor pre-selection contretemps and is using Quade to get any publicity to distract voters from her controversial parachute into Fowler.

 

[Adam84]

This is their issue. They should have applied previously.

Both have moved overseas in recent years which breaks their residency requirements.

Genia's one seems strange. I would have thought he'd have had to become a citizen as I didn't think Papua New Guineans have the same rights in Australia as New Zealanders.

Well this comes back to their manager and the team they have advising them at the point in time they made these decisions then. It's not as though they've been denied the right to apply for a visa or wouldn't have qualified, they just didn't do it. I think the emphasis should be put back onto those individuals are informing these guys to make these decisions when they do.

 

[John S]

Thats on BT

Could we drop the Folau aspect of this thread - it's been done to death elsewhere?

 

[Eyes and Ears]

If he was prepared to make a public apology and return the money he got for nothing from RA, okay, he can come back.

I think that there is more chance that he will come out as gay than give the money back.

 

[eastman]

The bloke has played 71 times for his country requiring strict dedication and freakish levels of obsession & effort I'm not capable of and I doubt 99% of us on here are too. If we're getting into sports people aren't heroes then Australia probably needs to re-structure its entire society.

He gets remunerated accordingly.

 

[Bullrush]

Not much has been made of the try that Hooper fluffed.

 

[Dctarget]

Not much has been made of the try that Hooper fluffed.

We won.. Also like, Hooper knows it, we know it, he should've dummied. He won't get dropped, he'll go away and probably punish himself and train 1000 times like a bad house elf.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Depends if you view him as the Messiah or just a very naughty boy.

I got a chuckle with that as had thoughts of this being said with the life of brian voice of "your a very naughty boy"

 

[Viking]

Not much has been made of the try that Hooper fluffed.

Or Hodge kicking the ball away in the dying moments of the game.

 

[Pfitzy]

Not much has been made of the try that Hooper fluffed.

It was a good read from Willemse. Hooper also had Etzebeth almost on top of him, Le Roux in front of him, and green 19 in pursuit.

Hodge dropped it in contact, as well.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Not much has been made of the try that Hooper fluffed.

I thought Hodge fluffed it positionally - commentators stated as much - but then again do you blame the golden child (hooper) or the fringe player (hodge). Ie I am sure unintended bias can creep into this

I rate Quade and I think his situation for citizenship is pretty ridiculous given how long he has lived here.

But to focus purely on the 'test cap' part of the argument I actually disagree, in the era of professionalism I don't think test caps should carry any greater weight than other qualifying criteria. At the end of the day they are an employee of a company which represents Australia , but if the rules are going to be amended or adjusted purely on that then the same should to be applied to all employees of sovereign Australian companies.

More broadly in the Cooper and Genia scenario it amazes me they dont qualify based on residency alone, or at least haven't previously qualified given the amount of time they've lived here. Maybe it has just been a case of timing of when they applied for the citizenship which has brought them unstuck a bit. Had they applied back in 2011 when they'd spent the previous 'x' years in Australia it wouldn't have been an issue.

it just seems strange that a player who represents australia for 70 + tests but can’t get Citizenship. It is actually an embarrassment.

 

[Adam84]

I thought Hodge fluffed it positionally - commentators state

it just seems strange that a player who represents australia for 70 + tests but can’t get Citizenship. It is actually an embarrassment.

It's not such an embarrassment when realise he had years where he was qualified and could apply for it but simply didn't.
The only reason he is having trouble now is because he has been overseas the last few season.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

It's not really when you look at it and realise he had years where he was qualified and could apply for it but simply didn't.
The only reason he is having trouble now is because he has been overseas the last few season.

Yeh maybe you are right as does send an unsavoury precedent otherwise...fair point...

 

[Slim 293]

Personally, I think that granting citizenships, or even threatening to take them away is a fantastic motivation for players to meet their KPI’s………

 

[dru]

Seeing as we've been discussing it here:

Citizenship rules change: Wallabies' Quade Cooper can become an Australian at last

The Immigration Minister changes residency rule for "distinguished" applicants for citizenship to become Australians, after a Wallabies rugby star was rejected multiple times.

www.abc.net.au

We have a new Quade Law.

 

[swingpass]

Personally, I think that granting citizenships, or even threatening to take them away is a fantastic motivation for players to meet their KPI’s………

I’ve always favoured a good thrashing with birch or the cat meself, focuses the mind wonderfully

 

[dru]

I’ve always favoured a good thrashing with birch or the cat meself focuses the mind wonderfully

You've got some strange KPIs there Swing.

 

[Adam84]

Seeing as we've been discussing it here:

Citizenship rules change: Wallabies' Quade Cooper can become an Australian at last

The Immigration Minister changes residency rule for "distinguished" applicants for citizenship to become Australians, after a Wallabies rugby star was rejected multiple times.

www.abc.net.au

We have a new Quade Law.

I wish the example of this law was for someone who contributed to medicine or science in an exemplary way, and not simply rugby...

I understand the audience of this thread, but i hate how athletes are placed on the pedestal and we don't acknowledge those who quietly contribute so much more to society.

 

[Dctarget]

I wish the example of this law was for someone who contributed to medicine or science in an exemplary way, and not simply rugby.

I understand the audience of this thread, but i hate how athletes are placed on the pedestal and we don't acknowledge those who quietly contribute so much more to society.

Not really an apt comparison is it? Doctors don't save lives because they're representing Australia. They don't slip on the green & gold every time they research some cancer.

We can acknowledge the absurdity of this situation and recognise others at the same time, they're not exclusive.

 

[swingpass]

You've got some strange KPIs there Swing.

Dru, I’m a giver, not a taker