RC - Wallabies vs Springboks, Gold Coast Sunday 12 September 8:05 PM

[Lorenzo]

Just wondering, does anyone think the Boks will change their style for next week? Personally I don't think they will, as was pointed out on Breakdown , most of the Bok's players are playing in NH club rugby, so are comfortable playing a certian way. Also I would think they will look at how points were scored and will toss up whether they think Quade will kick better than Pollard 2 weeks in a row, which basically was where I think they will see the game was won and lost. I not saying it right, but I would be surprised if either team changes much, Wallabies will try to move Boks around a bit, and Boks will just try and grind Wallabies down again.

They scored three tries to our one and lost. I doubt any significant style changes are afoot.

Given we scored most of our points from penalty kicks within their own half, I'd suggest they will further prioritise playing the game at our end of the paddock.

 

[Joe Blow]

hell mate, I think he should probably be a citizen, but not becuase he kicks 8 goals, if he f***s up next does he get deported?

Its a complete travesty. He(71caps) and Wil Genia(110caps) cannot get citizenship? Crazy!! Thats Australian immigration policy for you. Embarrassing crap.

 

[Dan54]

The Kiwis get easy access to Aus to work and live, but the have to meet the same standards other applicants do to get citizenship

It was earlier stated that he doesn't spend enough time in Aus to meet the requirements

Yep and I understand that FP and agree, but suddenly it changes because this woman is impressed he kicked a goal?

 

[Dan54]

I wonder if KK knows QC (Quade Cooper) is a petty Kiwi criminal who likes to steal laptops and white goods. We normally send the Kiwi riff raff back over the ditch.

geez is that why me and WOB have ended up back here Ig???

 

[Dan54]

They scored three tries to our one and lost. I doubt any significant style changes are afoot.

Given we scored most of our points from penalty kicks within their own half, I'd suggest they will further prioritise playing the game at our end of the paddock.

Yep, I suppose I forgot the try difference, there was a lot of comment on lack of tries in Lions/Bok series, but they they maybe not too bad when they can score at the rate of 3-1.

 

[Pfitzy]

8 from 8 and he lead us to a victory over the RWC champions and current world #1. That does it for me. Welcome Quade.

"Sergeant - add 'Joe Blow' to the list"

 

[Pfitzy]

Just wondering, does anyone think the Boks will change their style for next week? Personally I don't think they will, as was pointed out on Breakdown , most of the Bok's players are playing in NH club rugby, so are comfortable playing a certian way. Also I would think they will look at how points were scored and will toss up whether they think Quade will kick better than Pollard 2 weeks in a row, which basically was where I think they will see the game was won and lost. I not saying it right, but I would be surprised if either team changes much, Wallabies will try to move Boks around a bit, and Boks will just try and grind Wallabies down again.

Boks won't change the general game plan, but they'll be a bit sharper for the run. Their plan to contest aerial ball worked in the first 10 minutes but went to pot later in the game.

Might tweak their bench a bit and have a lock there instead of starting Mostert at blindside and bringing him in. The plan was obviously to replace either De Jager or Etzebeth with a back rower, then the former went down with a head knock late...

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I think you could say that one kick from Pollard might have changed something, but I'm not a big fan of this "left 10 points out there" when we're talking penalty kicks - they change the course of a game so it is sliding doors. Yeah OK Pollard slots a penalty instead of hitting the upright. Maybe at the next restart we clean up a messy ball and score a try.

If you lose narrowly and the only kicks you missed were conversions, then maybe.

 

[Lorenzo]

They did miss two conversions.

Sliding doors, but you know you're gonna get between ~3 and ~10 chances at goal in your typical test. Whether or not they wind up being in different spots due to the butterfly effect, if you don't make them and the other side does, you stand a good chance of losing.

 

[D-Box]

Well while Folau believes in redemption I am not sure the broader rugby community keen to see some sort of Redemption story and second coming here given his views.

Depends if you view him as the Messiah or just a very naughty boy.

 

[Joe Blow]

They did miss two conversions.

Sliding doors, but you know you're gonna get between ~3 and ~10 chances at goal in your typical test. Whether or not they wind up being in different spots due to the butterfly effect, if you don't make them and the other side does, you stand a good chance of losing.

We left a couple of tries out there, one on each flank. They most likely would have been 7 pointers the way Quade was hitting them. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[Lorenzo]

Converting point scoring opportunities is the important bit, yes. Im not sure I agree that missed unopposed kicks at goal is the same as our attempts to score tries being successfully defended, but ok.

Will the boks make big changes to they way they play? I doubt it.

 

[todd4]

I wonder if KK knows QC (Quade Cooper) is a petty Kiwi criminal who likes to steal laptops and white goods. We normally send the Kiwi riff raff back over the ditch.

I'd actually forgotten about the laptop saga. Think I even attempted some humour on here at the time saying he would make a good openside because of his pilfering skills. ‍

 

[wamberal]

Depends if you view him as the Messiah or just a very naughty boy.

If he was prepared to make a public apology and return the money he got for nothing from RA, okay, he can come back.

 

[Lorenzo]

If he was prepared to make a public apology and return the money he got for nothing from RA, okay, he can come back.

+ have learned how to kick

 

[Merrow]

Yep and I understand that FP and agree, but suddenly it changes because this woman is impressed he kicked a goal?

This woman has been trying to get it overturned since the announcement of his citizenship status was revealed back in July

 

[Joe Blow]

If he was prepared to make a public apology and return the money he got for nothing from RA, okay, he can come back.

Thats on BT

 

[Dctarget]

Yep and I understand that FP and agree, but suddenly it changes because this woman is impressed he kicked a goal?

The bloke has played 71 times for his country requiring strict dedication and freakish levels of obsession & effort I'm not capable of and I doubt 99% of us on here are too. If we're getting into sports people aren't heroes then Australia probably needs to re-structure its entire society.

 

[PhilClinton]

We often spend ages reviewing incidents over and over again in the lead up to a try that are far less black and white and then a maul try is scored and generally we don't look at it whatsoever.

Being stricter on a stationary maul would also assist things. If it pauses at all moving forward, call it.

If you make it harder to score from we'll see less mauls which are not a particularly good aspect of the game.

Agree with all your points, the problem is the policing of these with mauls is so difficult and teams will find loopholes.

I can imagine the teams who are in serious favour of mauls saying, that's fine, but the referee needs to be aware when the original maul becomes stationary, but a new maul has started as we transferred the point of contact with the ball.

I think that's the reason more hasn't been done to nullify the maul to date, the whole construct of it is almost more black magicy than scrums.

 

[Adam84]

I rate Quade and I think his situation for citizenship is pretty ridiculous given how long he has lived here.

But to focus purely on the 'test cap' part of the argument I actually disagree, in the era of professionalism I don't think test caps should carry any greater weight than other qualifying criteria. At the end of the day they are an employee of a company which represents Australia , but if the rules are going to be amended or adjusted purely on that then the same should to be applied to all employees of sovereign Australian companies.

More broadly in the Cooper and Genia scenario it amazes me they dont qualify based on residency alone, or at least haven't previously qualified given the amount of time they've lived here. Maybe it has just been a case of timing of when they applied for the citizenship which has brought them unstuck a bit. Had they applied back in 2011 when they'd spent the previous 'x' years in Australia it wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[Braveheart81]

More broadly in the Cooper and Genia scenario it amazes me they dont qualify based on residency alone, or at least haven't previously qualified given the amount of time they've lived here. Maybe it has just been a case of timing of when they applied for the citizenship which has brought them unstuck a bit. Had they applied back in 2011 when they'd spent the previous 'x' years in Australia it wouldn't have been an issue.

This is their issue. They should have applied previously.

Both have moved overseas in recent years which breaks their residency requirements.

Genia's one seems strange. I would have thought he'd have had to become a citizen as I didn't think Papua New Guineans have the same rights in Australia as New Zealanders.