Qualifying Final: 2.Crusaders v 5.Reds 6/06

[dru]

You need to learn a bit about scrums - and then have a good look at the scrums to ascertain what actually happened. The ref let blatant penalty behaviour by both the Crus LHP and THP go. Others above have spelled it out.

Oh, this could be good...
Where is @Pfitzy?

@Mark Panga

Just to spell this out. In spite his piss-taking demeanor, not only is Pfitzy a prop, and a ref, if you drop into the Subbies Rugby thread you'll see that he has basically run a rugby club for, I don't know, longer than I've been here which is some time. I presume he has also completed at least some of the RA coaching credentials. It shouldn't surprise you, but the forum has actual experts or at least highly experienced people on board posting. That doesn't mean to not take them on. But it might help to know a bit more about the longer term personalities before throwing out statements like that.

cyclo (moderator) dropping in the way he did also aught to have been a clue.

(Just a tip from a G&GR poster who learnt the hard way.)

 

[Pfitzy]

if you drop into the Subbies Rugby thread you'll see that he has basically run a rugby club for, I don't know, longer than I've been here which is some time.

That indicates I'm a glutton for punishment, more than anything

 

[cyclopath]

@dru I agree regarding @Pfitzy and his knowledge of scrums. As I said earlier, I have no reason to doubt @Mark Panga - I just thought it was funny that it played out that way. I like debates about aspects of the game that I don't fully comprehend, as I guess you do too.

 

[Adam84]

What’s this got to do with the Tahs? I expected them to suck and they did

Tahs didn’t have a playing group this good and they didn’t have

They had a pretty good playing group mate…. More concerning is a number within that playing group that actually regressed this year.

like i said you’ve found more to say about this Reds loss than you did during the Tahs’ entire season of performances..

 

[Pfitzy]

I like debates about aspects of the game that I don't fully comprehend

Nobody has yet given me a good reason for wingers

 

[Derpus]

They had a pretty good playing group mate…. More concerning is a number within that playing group that actually regressed this year.

like i said you’ve found more to say about this Reds loss than you did during the Tahs’ entire season of performances..

It's another age old issue. We take talented youngsters and over the course of 5 or 6 seasons of development turn them into exactly the same player they started off as, but older. Certainly not unique to the Tahs though they do take it to the level of an artform.

McDermott is a prime example IMO. Maybe made some marginal gains in work on areas but barely noticeable.

 

[cyclopath]

Nobody has yet given me a good reason for wingers

It's a good position to play if you're fast, and there is someone better than you at 12...
...speaking from experience.

 

[Aussie D]

Nobody has yet given me a good reason for wingers

3rd grade props have to start out somewhere whilst they wait for the weight gain to be able to pack scrums

 

[Mark Panga]

@Mark Panga

Just to spell this out. In spite his piss-taking demeanor, not only is Pfitzy a prop, and a ref, if you drop into the Subbies Rugby thread you'll see that he has basically run a rugby club for, I don't know, longer than I've been here which is some time. I presume he has also completed at least some of the RA coaching credentials. It shouldn't surprise you, but the forum has actual experts or at least highly experienced people on board posting. That doesn't mean to not take them on. But it might help to know a bit more about the longer term personalities before throwing out statements like that.

cyclo (moderator) dropping in the way he did also aught to have been a clue.

(Just a tip from a G&GR poster who learnt the hard way.)

Interesting. Thank you for the cv information. Thing is - surely it’s preferable for “experts” to analyse and discuss aspects of the play rather than player bash - and make sweeping and subjective statements about their general ability. We could all hopefully learn something then.

This isn’t a bar where good old boys throw opinions around like peanut shells, to be swept away tomorrow and forgotten. It’s a public forum and the comments stay live for years and are searchable for years.

Experts should be circumspect in making subjective, sweeping value judgments - for the very reason that people take their opinions seriously. Just how you’re urging me to take this judgment seriously.

They are all good players. That’s why they are playing Super Rugby. For an expert to say - someone is the worst player in his position of all the possible players in all the squads is just not helpful - and it’s still not a statement of fact - it’s only his opinion. And one with which I strongly disagree. Players aren’t playing the same way that they were 30 years ago - times have changed and technical rules are meant to be enforced for player safety reasons as well as fairness.

It was a tough night at the office for the Reds. No need to put the boot in. “Experts”can and do get it wrong. So do mere mortals like me.

Go the Brumbies !!!!

 

[Adam84]

It's another age old issue. We take talented youngsters and over the course of 5 or 6 seasons of development turn them into exactly the same player they started off as, but older. Certainly not unique to the Tahs though they do take it to the level of an artform.

McDermott is a prime example IMO. Maybe made some marginal gains in work on areas but barely noticeable.

I think for some Tahs players, plateau or marginal gains would have been better, but they seemingly regressed over the season, and compared to previous years.

For Tate, yeah his box kicking improved some from when he has come on the scene but never reached the level required at test level and hasn’t seen to improved since, I’d argue though his game management has improved significantly from when he started. His name has been thrown around a lot after this match, probably his worse game of the year in a season he was the form Aus halfback for large chunks. But I think focussing on the halves, missed where this game was actually lost and that was the breakdown/scrum.

 

[Aussie D]

Just watching the Brumbies v Canes fame now, I commented last night about the Reds breakdown performance and queried whether it was technique or S&C. The Brumbies are holding their own and not getting blown away at the breakdown. Is it the Laurie Fisher legacy (his influence and priority of the breakdown) or do they have a better S&C program? Or are the Crusaders stronger that the Canes at the breakdown?

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

What’s the go with the crowd last night? Concerning?

Canberra looked mostly vacant last night...

Shit weather pretty much right up to kickoff would've deterred a lot of people. Hopefully they get better weather on Friday plus Loss Bleus will be more of a draw than Reds were.

 

[Pfitzy]

Thing is - surely it’s preferable for “experts” to analyse and discuss aspects of the play rather than player bash

It is also the middle of the game where comments are flying thick and fast, and the action rolls on. There's also little time for context.

There was a lot of ref-bashing on here - was all of it accurate? Or acceptable?

Yes, the internet is forever. But the zeitgeist is important.

 

[PhilClinton]

Canberra looked mostly vacant last night...

Shit weather pretty much right up to kickoff would've deterred a lot of people. Hopefully they get better weather on Friday plus Loss Bleus will be more of a draw than Reds were.

Canberra did also look dead but that wasn’t my point. We know rugby crowds in Oz aren’t great (although if 2025 stats are to be believed it’s getting better).

I just keep hearing from all my kiwi mates about strong the rugby passion is across the ditch and that’s why they’re still so much better. But there probably more people watching the new Mission Impossible movie in Christchurch than attending the game.

The opposition shouldn’t matter when I comes to finals. That could have been the Crusaders last game of the season.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

If anyone on here who knows me has witnessed my mood "pre-morning caffeine" they will understand...

Legend has it Cyclo once deleted 22,000 Schoolboy Forum threads on a grumpy whim when the customer in front of him in the coffee queue tried to alter their order from a latte to decaf.

 

[Wilson]

Legend has it Cyclo once deleted 22,000 Schoolboy Forum threads on a grumpy whim when the customer in front of him in the coffee queue tried to alter their order from a latte to decaf.

Sounds like we need more people getting in the way of Cyclo's morning coffee.

 

[dru]

Sounds like we need more people getting in the way of Cyclo's morning coffee.

I am not jumping a queue with either Cyclo or Adam in line. No way Jose. Eyes with daggers that cut, you know.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

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[Major Tom]

Just watching the Brumbies v Canes fame now, I commented last night about the Reds breakdown performance and queried whether it was technique or S&C. The Brumbies are holding their own and not getting blown away at the breakdown. Is it the Laurie Fisher legacy (his influence and priority of the breakdown) or do they have a better S&C program? Or are the Crusaders stronger that the Canes at the breakdown?

A lot has to do with how the breakdown is being policed. Berry seems to give benefit to the attacking team. Williams on Friday, didn’t. I just wish we had Gus to ref the game we had against the canes. But whatever.