Scotty
David Codey (61)
Have you been watching rugby this year?
Slipper has been immense in the tight stuff along with Daley. Both get through a mountain of work.
Quade Cooper - The most important player in Australian Rugby
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Have you been watching rugby this year?
Slipper has been immense in the tight stuff along with Daley. Both get through a mountain of work.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
While Pocock is important, he can't do it by himself. Elsom was a passenger except for a few runs and Hodgson was very disappointing.
I reckon there is at least one moment, where if we had QC (Quade Cooper) instead of Giteau we would have scored a try. Cooper may not have won us that game, but I reckon he would have got us another try, particularly towards the end with Beale and Genia on the field.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Oh the irony!
Ruggo
Mark Ella (57)
Samoa kept smashing us at the breakdown because we asked nothing of them in defence. They had the fuel in the tank to go the distance because we let them. Cooper would of made a huge difference as his out standing peripheral vision would of created opportunities that would of made it harder for the Samoans to get from breakdown to breakdown, wearing them down.
I feel for Phipps a bit. Being his debut he was also probably a bit timid in dealing with our forwards when he needed to arc up a bit and fire a rocket up their arse's and getting them where he wanted. That will grow with experience and when he settles in with the group. I think Cooper would of been a big motivator for him if he was playing as he is an excellent communicator with his other half.
I feel for Phipps a bit. Being his debut he was also probably a bit timid in dealing with our forwards when he needed to arc up a bit and fire a rocket up their arse's and getting them where he wanted. That will grow with experience and when he settles in with the group. I think Cooper would of been a big motivator for him if he was playing as he is an excellent communicator with his other half.
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Arch Winning (36)
The difference between Gits and Cooper, and I am staggered to find myself saying it after his first few seasons, his haircut, and brainless off field exploits, is that this year Cooper has proven beyond any sensible doubt that he is a true playmaker. Giteau, who has always been a class act to admire with astonishing personal ability and drive, not so much. Annoying, but inescapable imo.
Cooper is a freak, and best of all he is a freak who likes to share the glory.
Cooper is a freak, and best of all he is a freak who likes to share the glory.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Flyhalf in attack 101:
1. Communicate well with those inside and outside of you. Cooper - check, Giteau - not sure?
2. Look to set up others first. Cooper - check. Giteau - nope.
3. Pass in front of the man. Cooper - check. Giteau - nope.
4. Kick well and into space. Cooper - mostly check. Giteau - check.
5. Create space rather than reduce pace. Cooper - check. Giteau - nope.
I'm not sure how much more evidence we need that Giteau is a centre.
1. Communicate well with those inside and outside of you. Cooper - check, Giteau - not sure?
2. Look to set up others first. Cooper - check. Giteau - nope.
3. Pass in front of the man. Cooper - check. Giteau - nope.
4. Kick well and into space. Cooper - mostly check. Giteau - check.
5. Create space rather than reduce pace. Cooper - check. Giteau - nope.
I'm not sure how much more evidence we need that Giteau is a centre.
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Ron Walden (29)
although it would never be done in public id like cooper to answer the question of who he would like outside him
hes the main man now and whatever needs to be done to make him comfortable should be done, including giteau carrying his bags if necessary
i feel we have enough playmakers in the team with beal and oconner- a nathan grey/ staniforth inside center is what i feel we need
hes the main man now and whatever needs to be done to make him comfortable should be done, including giteau carrying his bags if necessary
i feel we have enough playmakers in the team with beal and oconner- a nathan grey/ staniforth inside center is what i feel we need
I'm not sure too many would argue with you Scotty.
I think Deans wanted to see if he might be a back-up option this year, given that not many (if any) others are putting their hand up as a Test match 10. We have a real problem below Cooper. I personally don't believe JO'C or Beale are good options there, Barnes is unlikely (in my eyes) to play a big part in Tests. Not good.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
Cyclo, Deans had three full seasons of evidence to prove Giteau isn't a 10. He is just stubborn to a fault and accepts little to no input from anybody else regarding selection according to the rumour mill. Where there is smoke there is fire, especially since this smoke had been rising for years now.
I wonder what his payout will be if Dreams is forced to resign or is sackd?
I wonder what his payout will be if Dreams is forced to resign or is sackd?
Scotty
David Codey (61)
I made the comment to a friend while watching the game that we would be better off with Genia at 10. He said, yep, swap them around and there is almost no doubt we'd be better off. (Not that I'm seriously suggesting this.)
Beale as the backup is my choice over Giteau. He has point 1, 3, 4 and 5 covered as well or better than Giteau.
I didn't say I agree with the experiment, I was just trying to work out why it happened (yet again). You have to admit, our back-up 10 options aren't great. Stannard anyone??
Scotty - Beale has the attributes on paper, but hasn't put it on the field that well in previous (admittedly limited) opportunities. I'd probably agree with you that he still should be the next option though.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Being able to watch the Reds games live I got an insight into actually how well Cooper runs the backline with Genia. Both don't lack confidence, and they are in positions that need it. If Cooper doesn't like the quality of ball on attack, he just won't take it, and instead screams at his forwards to get in there and work it in tight until he is ready to receive it. Genia is the one who marshalls the forwards and gets the ball out quickly into front foot ball until Cooper is ready.
In the first half in particular, we missed this kind of organisation. I think it's one thing that Gits lacks, and Phipps will learn. The forwards either took one too many picks and drives (Phipps/forwards fault), or the ball was too slow and they didn't set fast enough for the next phase (Phipps fault, with a little Gits who should be shouting at them as well), until finally the forwards lost the ball or the Gits finally decided to take the ball whilst way to deep and do nothing with it (Gits fault).
In the first half in particular, we missed this kind of organisation. I think it's one thing that Gits lacks, and Phipps will learn. The forwards either took one too many picks and drives (Phipps/forwards fault), or the ball was too slow and they didn't set fast enough for the next phase (Phipps fault, with a little Gits who should be shouting at them as well), until finally the forwards lost the ball or the Gits finally decided to take the ball whilst way to deep and do nothing with it (Gits fault).
Ruggo
Mark Ella (57)
I didn't say I agree with the experiment, I was just trying to work out why it happened (yet again). You have to admit, our back-up 10 options aren't great. Stannard anyone??
Scotty - Beale has the attributes on paper, but hasn't put it on the field that well in previous (admittedly limited) opportunities. I'd probably agree with you that he still should be the next option though.
JOC (James O'Connor) showed promise at the beginning of the year. I think he is the way to go personally.
Mate this is the third thread I have opened that you're having a go at Deans in. I got your point six months ago.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Ruggo, if Barnes isn't likely to come back, I would rather see JOC (James O'Connor) at 12 than Gits.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I've said plenty of times that Barnes is the ideal foil for Cooper, but I don't think we can hang our hopes it unfortunately.
As long as he is never allowed to kick.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
For goal?
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