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Seb V said:
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Sorry - I don't get it
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SebV means - whisper us a few details.
In considering the crimes of youth, I have recently adopted the attitude of "would I do it?" Like, this guy double parked me the other day in order to run in and get a pizza. I had to wait ~ 4 mins. He was like: "Sorry, I guess I picked the wrong car to double-park". And I was like: "Yeah, whatever". My wife was like "Don't be rude" so I was like "Would YOU double park on Katoomba Street to get a pizza?" and she was like "No, I guess I wouldn't."
So, applying that standard to Quade - I reckon I can pretty safely say that I have never got that pissed or fucked up that I thought stealing laptops would be a good idea. Similar for date rape / smashing cars in Ultimo. I've smashed a couple of beer bottles and pushed a few people around but this is waaaaaay beyond anything like that.
I don't want to hang the guy - he needs help - but he has to do a fair bit work himself to turn this shit around.
In considering the crimes of youth, I have recently adopted the attitude of "would I do it?" Like, this guy double parked me the other day in order to run in and get a pizza. I had to wait ~ 4 mins. He was like: "Sorry, I guess I picked the wrong car to double-park". And I was like: "Yeah, whatever". My wife was like "Don't be rude" so I was like "Would YOU double park on Katoomba Street to get a pizza?" and she was like "No, I guess I wouldn't."
So, applying that standard to Quade - I reckon I can pretty safely say that I have never got that pissed or fucked up that I thought stealing laptops would be a good idea. Similar for date rape / smashing cars in Ultimo. I've smashed a couple of beer bottles and pushed a few people around but this is waaaaaay beyond anything like that.
I don't want to hang the guy - he needs help - but he has to do a fair bit work himself to turn this shit around.
Yeah, good point, Scarfy. I have tried to look at every angle with this story, from what little we know, but for the life of me I cannot work out how the hell he ended up in that situation.
I've done plenty of stupid things under the influence. None come close to breaking into some random place (if it was random) and swiping a laptop.
BTW Scarfy, you were controlled - if some twat double-parked me for 4 minutes to get a pizza, I'd have offered more than "Whatever". Very Zen.
I've done plenty of stupid things under the influence. None come close to breaking into some random place (if it was random) and swiping a laptop.
BTW Scarfy, you were controlled - if some twat double-parked me for 4 minutes to get a pizza, I'd have offered more than "Whatever". Very Zen.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
I think we are going to see more of this behaviour, in fact we have already for the same reasons we have seen bad behaviour in league players- young guys get given a whole bunch of money and time but are also insulated from society that would otherwise teach them what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. Plus there is the overlay that every discretion is latched onto by the media/public these days.
How would I behave in this situation? I don't know because I was never been in a position anything like this - I did enough stupid stuff (but nothing illegal) to know that I can't honestly say that I would been spotless re offield behaviour had I of been a professional sportsman.
I applaud the ARU for taking a hard line of this when incidents arise, but what preventative measures has the ARU in place? Prevention is better than cure.
In the meantime, Cooper isn't the first nor will he be the last player to stuff up. We should cut him some slack alteast until he has had his chance to tell his side of the story.
How would I behave in this situation? I don't know because I was never been in a position anything like this - I did enough stupid stuff (but nothing illegal) to know that I can't honestly say that I would been spotless re offield behaviour had I of been a professional sportsman.
I applaud the ARU for taking a hard line of this when incidents arise, but what preventative measures has the ARU in place? Prevention is better than cure.
In the meantime, Cooper isn't the first nor will he be the last player to stuff up. We should cut him some slack alteast until he has had his chance to tell his side of the story.
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Larry Dwyer (12)
What astounds me is the nature of it..
You're a big star with muscles and shit and the sluts just come flocking - that i can understand. There's also some dicks that try to start you up in night clubs etc..
but you earn double what I do and you're caught breaking into someones house? I just don't get it.
For me: There are separate lines for the moral fuck up and the criminal one.
You're a big star with muscles and shit and the sluts just come flocking - that i can understand. There's also some dicks that try to start you up in night clubs etc..
but you earn double what I do and you're caught breaking into someones house? I just don't get it.
For me: There are separate lines for the moral fuck up and the criminal one.
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I have no idea as to what should be done other than something should be done.
basically we have rights to do whatever we want in life - until such time as our exercise of that right impacts on another in a negative manner.
Scarfy's double park was an infringement of Scarfy's right to free movement - Quade impinged on the rights of others to security and ownership of property and basic laws were originally laid down all those years ago purely to give protection to LIFE, LIBERT AND PROPERTY against other people and the sovereign.
To me - a law (protection of rights) has been violated.
Would I have done the same - NEVER.
Have I ever been so pissed that I could have? - yes sireee bob I have, but I still exercised responsible self control so as to not do the wrong thing.
Like Scarfy I have been a naughty boy at times. Broken bottles, argy bargy after 12:00 after a big win over the Gays or Wicks but never have I ever contemplated committing a crime no matter how pissed I was and I expect the law and society to protect me against those that do not exercise such respect of other peoples rights.
basically we have rights to do whatever we want in life - until such time as our exercise of that right impacts on another in a negative manner.
Scarfy's double park was an infringement of Scarfy's right to free movement - Quade impinged on the rights of others to security and ownership of property and basic laws were originally laid down all those years ago purely to give protection to LIFE, LIBERT AND PROPERTY against other people and the sovereign.
To me - a law (protection of rights) has been violated.
Would I have done the same - NEVER.
Have I ever been so pissed that I could have? - yes sireee bob I have, but I still exercised responsible self control so as to not do the wrong thing.
Like Scarfy I have been a naughty boy at times. Broken bottles, argy bargy after 12:00 after a big win over the Gays or Wicks but never have I ever contemplated committing a crime no matter how pissed I was and I expect the law and society to protect me against those that do not exercise such respect of other peoples rights.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
You are both presuming that Quad has conscioustely decided to commit a crime. That may or may not be the case, he will have to front up to this in court . But he deserves to be judged at that time based on the facts (whatever they maybe) as everyone has a right to do.
BTW - assault is a crime so argy bargy after 12 could very easily lead to someone being in court and even worse. Take the case from Coogee recently where a drunken argument at kebab shop lead to one guy dead and the other on mansluaghter charges.
BTW - assault is a crime so argy bargy after 12 could very easily lead to someone being in court and even worse. Take the case from Coogee recently where a drunken argument at kebab shop lead to one guy dead and the other on mansluaghter charges.
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Mutpounder said:
You are somewhat of an assumptive fool there Mutpounder -
Ah - did I say I assaulted people - I didn't say who assaulted whom. And secondly - to clarify our argy bargy back then, rugby players packing scrums on the dance froor - bellysliding, ets - no where did I mention assault -
Apology please you sanctimonious twirp.
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What is for sure is that Australian Rugby cannot go down Rugby League's path. I don't think we should abolish Cooper completely but we should tear up his contract and allow him to come back to the ARU in say 2 years, he can go overseas and learn from this.
Tearing up his contract not only sets the precedent but it maintains consistency. Undoubetly Cooper fucked up severely but I don't think he deserves to lose his contract completely.
As Scarf said getting himself in that position all together is pretty concerning, and young players like JOC (James O'Connor), Cooper, Toomoua and Beale that are coming through will seriously need the ARU's support to have them know that they are not above the law.
Tearing up his contract not only sets the precedent but it maintains consistency. Undoubetly Cooper fucked up severely but I don't think he deserves to lose his contract completely.
As Scarf said getting himself in that position all together is pretty concerning, and young players like JOC (James O'Connor), Cooper, Toomoua and Beale that are coming through will seriously need the ARU's support to have them know that they are not above the law.
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Mutpounder said:
Thanks - old school v new school I might think although lack of evidence prohibits definitive statement.
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i would say Quade needs a serious repreimand, even if found innocent of this crime there is still the issue that he is putting himself in compromising situation. Quade has portrayed himself as a player who genuninely loves to play rugby, these days it seems more like a chore then a blessing for most players to play at the elite level, He actually displays a level of personality which other players lack, i would hate to see him gagged in such a manor he turns sterile and robotic.
Im not dismissing what he allegedly did, im just saying that banning and kicking out every player who makes a mistake continues the perception that Rugby is a elitist and snobby sport, its forever going to struggle to attract fans if there are no personality's to be attracted to.
Im not dismissing what he allegedly did, im just saying that banning and kicking out every player who makes a mistake continues the perception that Rugby is a elitist and snobby sport, its forever going to struggle to attract fans if there are no personality's to be attracted to.
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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
I agree that we are likely to see more and more of this. Even if he was off his chops, cant remember it and doesnt go to the big house, for punishment, Quade should be paid enough to live relatively comfortably on but no more. The balance of his salary should go towards his education both on societal norms and for an after rugby life. He should have to continue to do the training, pass the fitness tests etc but should be excluded from all but a few team sessions a week and be suspended from playing rugby for 18 months. He should also have to spend time with victims of all sorts of crime. It could well be the making of him.
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Bob Davidson (42)
This may not go down well, given it is criticism of the "rookie poster of the year", but RW, if anyone has been assumptive (is it a word, I will leave it to a lexicon (and I haven't checked)?) you are the biggest culprit. You started this thread and your assumptions have left me bewildered.rugbywhisperer said:
Presumption of guilt is a dangerous argument and 'wise grey haired opinion' on things other than rugby in this kind of forum is innapropriate.
We all have opinions, and in an anonymous forum we like to express them, BUT, I think your (perhaps inadvertant)apparent condemnation of a troubled yet skillful young rugby player is out of order.
Scarfy, LG and Lindy, amongst others have urged cautin and understanding. IMO, we should take note.
leave Quade Cooper alone until the Courts tell us otherwise!
My rant, and if it is inappropriate tell me, i just needed to get it off my chest.
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