QLD Premier Rugby 2025

[JRugby2]

Another worry with implementing this would be the financial aspect.

Speaking speculatively, I'm unsure how much higher rego can go without killing player numbers.

I assume most people pushing for an NCC would infer that at that level at least - the players are somewhat professional and not paying rego, and all other grades below it keep their same competition structures.

However it would be a shame for any potential NCC club to have to raise rego to fund their 1st grade team flying around the country

 

[PhilClinton]

I assume most people pushing for an NCC would infer that at that level at least - the players are somewhat professional and not paying rego, and all other grades below it keep their same competition structures.

However it would be a shame for any potential NCC club to have to raise rego to fund their 1st grade team flying around the country

Agree. Any potential plan for QPR clubs to be involved with an Aussie championship type situation would need a plan to ensure club player numbers are increased and looked after.

The best way to increase interest in a team is to increase members, whether that be players or paying ‘members’. RA would see this venture as a net loss financially to start at least and provide some funding so clubs could get more players on the books by offering affordable subs.

I think a lot of painted on rugby fans who are of an older generation fail to release the tangible difference a young player has if they decide to play league and pay $200 which includes a couple of free cans in the club bar or fork out $450+.

 

[LevitatingSocks]

Agree. Any potential plan for QPR clubs to be involved with an Aussie championship type situation would need a plan to ensure club player numbers are increased and looked after.

The best way to increase interest in a team is to increase members, whether that be players or paying ‘members’. RA would see this venture as a net loss financially to start at least and provide some funding so clubs could get more players on the books by offering affordable subs.

I think a lot of painted on rugby fans who are of an older generation fail to release the tangible difference a young player has if they decide to play league and pay $200 which includes a couple of free cans in the club bar or fork out $450+.

Shute Shield apparently charges gate fees, I'm not a strong advocate for that but it seems preferable to raising rego (north of $500 for grades at all QPR clubs).

It's good to see that someone involved with their club like you @PhilClinton is aware of the impact of fees.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

They do and it wouldn't effect crowds at all IMO so the Clubs just make extra from it. I think people are willing to spend cash at their Club rather than Merivale beers at a Super Rugby game. The gate doesn't keep rego down though.... it's a double dip.

 

[noknowledgeatall]

Shute Shield apparently charges gate fees, I'm not a strong advocate for that but it seems preferable to raising rego (north of $500 for grades at all QPR clubs).

It's good to see that someone involved with their club like you @PhilClinton is aware of the impact of fees.

Gate fees are ok if
1. they are kept reasonable fr the average punter. - not everyone drives a rolls royce.
2. the money is spent on / at the club for the greater good - not spent to line the pockets of a few so called elite.

The problem at QPR is most grounds do not have a fence / gate system to ensure it is captured from all.
Bond and The Filth would be the only ones currently capable of running an entry fee process.

 

[JRugby2]

Gate fees are ok if
1. they are kept reasonable fr the average punter. - not everyone drives a rolls royce.
2. the money is spent on / at the club for the greater good - not spent to line the pockets of a few so called elite.

The problem at QPR is most grounds do not have a fence / gate system to ensure it is captured from all.
Bond and The Filth would be the only ones currently capable of running an entry fee process.

These are all problems that significantly hamper the success of any NCC.

And even if every existing ground could be fenced - there are huge capacity restrictions at each club which would probably cap out at 2-3K people at most for each ground. Not exactly gonna touch the sides of a clubs bottom line

 

[noknowledgeatall]

These are all problems that significantly hamper the success of any NCC.

And even if every existing ground could be fenced - there are huge capacity restrictions at each club which would probably cap out at 2-3K people at most for each ground. Not exactly gonna touch the sides of a clubs bottom line

I am lead to believe Shite Shield is $20 a person

At 3 000 x $20 = 60 000 per home game x 9 or 10 games for the year could be attractive for some

The $600K would cover coach and top 20 players @$10K per annum and leave 350 to 400 in the coffers.

 

[JRugby2]

I am lead to believe Shite Shield is $20 a person

At 3 000 x $20 = 60 000 per home game x 9 or 10 games for the year could be attractive for some

The $600K would cover coach and top 20 players @$10K per annum and leave 350 to 400 in the coffers.

Sorry what? SS clubs are charging punters $20 a person for amateur rugby - if that's true, that's genuinely cooked.

And that scenario only works if 2-3k punters are showing up every week and somehow deciding to pay that much money. Only Norths, Bond and maybe GPS could fit =>3k with the space they have on the perimeter - and even then they'd need to put up grandstands and the like as people wouldn't be able to see the ground standing/ sitting behind each other (which is another cost). The rest of the clubs are probably capped out at < 2k.

And then I suppose the next thought is - if that's an option to raise an additional $400-600k and using that money to buy the best players in the comp, why aren't clubs already doing it on mass? I know some clubs pay players but none would be at that level. Don't think the logic holds.

 

[Steve_Grey]

Sorry what? SS clubs are charging punters $20 a person for amateur rugby - if that's true, that's genuinely cooked.

And that scenario only works if 2-3k punters are showing up every week and somehow deciding to pay that much money. Only Norths, Bond and maybe GPS could fit =>3k with the space they have on the perimeter - and even then they'd need to put up grandstands and the like as people wouldn't be able to see the ground standing/ sitting behind each other (which is another cost). The rest of the clubs are probably capped out at < 2k.

And then I suppose the next thought is - if that's an option to raise an additional $400-600k and using that money to buy the best players in the comp, why aren't clubs already doing it on mass? I know some clubs pay players but none would be at that level. Don't think the logic holds.

More like $10 per week (some games $20 agreed). Sydney Easts charge for SS games, and maybe get 2000 each home game - 3000 come finals time (but Sydney Rugby Union take that gate money for finals).

What East's do well, is a big clubhouse selling their booze and their food - that is ++ income.

 

[Steve_Grey]

Sorry what? SS clubs are charging punters $20 a person for amateur rugby - if that's true, that's genuinely cooked.

And that scenario only works if 2-3k punters are showing up every week and somehow deciding to pay that much money. Only Norths, Bond and maybe GPS could fit =>3k with the space they have on the perimeter - and even then they'd need to put up grandstands and the like as people wouldn't be able to see the ground standing/ sitting behind each other (which is another cost). The rest of the clubs are probably capped out at < 2k.

And then I suppose the next thought is - if that's an option to raise an additional $400-600k and using that money to buy the best players in the comp, why aren't clubs already doing it on mass? I know some clubs pay players but none would be at that level. Don't think the logic holds.

The salary cap of $250k (maybe $220k?) limits 'buying all the best players' plus a player points system that caps the quality per team.

 

[Wilson]

I am lead to believe Shite Shield is $20 a person

At 3 000 x $20 = 60 000 per home game x 9 or 10 games for the year could be attractive for some

The $600K would cover coach and top 20 players @$10K per annum and leave 350 to 400 in the coffers.

That's $60k (in a perfect world) extra revenue per game, not profit. There's a whole host of extra costs that come from running a ticketed event that would eat into that money.

 

[Strewthcobber]

No SS club is getting anything like 3k paying customers per week.

In Easts most recent annual report they declared $98k total from the gate for the year. That's something like 5 to 600 people paying per game. And they would be one of the higher gates

 

[Steve_Grey]

No SS club is getting anything like 3k paying customers per week.

In Easts most recent annual report they declared $98k total from the gate for the year. That's something like 5 to 600 people paying per game. And they would be one of the higher gates

Factor in the annual memberships - that gain you entry, and you get there (2k ish) easily.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Factor in the annual memberships - that gain you entry, and you get there (2k ish) easily.

Easts had $47,242 in member's subscriptions.

So being generous and only using the cheapest membership that gets you another 250ish people a game (they actually list out all those the members in the annual report)

Well under 1000 people a game

 

[LevitatingSocks]

Easts had $47,242 in member's subscriptions.

So being generous and only using the cheapest membership that gets you another 250ish people a game (they actually list out all those the members in the annual report)

Well under 1000 people a game

If a financially strong club in eastern Sydney with one of the best hospitality arrangements around is cracking only 250 a game, that might not bode well for another more expensive tier of rugby becoming financially self-sufficient.

I've been to Easts, their bar and restaurant gets heavy traffic and is way above anything around Brisbane clubland. If they can't pull it off, I'm not sure who can.

 

[Strewthcobber]

If a financially strong club in eastern Sydney with one of the best hospitality arrangements around is cracking only 250 a game, that might not bode well for another more expensive tier of rugby becoming financially self-sufficient.

I've been to Easts, their bar and restaurant gets heavy traffic and is way above anything around Brisbane clubland. If they can't pull it off, I'm not sure who can.

This was a year in which they won the premiership no less

 

[Bulldog]

Just FYI with relation to registration fees a few things:
1. Registration fees are paid through Rugby Explorer,
2. Then RA takes its cut including insurance component and then forwards the clubs component to the respective club,
3. The total registration fees depends on what the club wants post RA & Insurance,
4. Clubs are responsible for paying the registration fees for Super Players link to clubs - which seems ridiculous I know.

I don’t think NRC players were paid.

 

[Bulldog]

Can we take all this talk about a third tier comp off this forum and refocus our posts on Queensland Premier Rugby 2025.
Because for 1 I couldn’t give two hoots for the ins and outs of Shute Shield clubs, and for 2: If a third tier is established it will come from top (RA/NSWRU/QRU) down not from clubs up - consequently negatively impacting both QPR & SS.

 

[noknowledgeatall]

Can we take all this talk about a third tier comp off this forum and refocus our posts on Queensland Premier Rugby 2025.
Because for 1 I couldn’t give two hoots for the ins and outs of Shute Shield clubs, and for 2: If a third tier is established it will come from top (RA/NSWRU/QRU) down not from clubs up - consequently negatively impacting both QPR & SS.

I just think that SS and Hospital Cup should be the third tier.

Not another new program.

 

[JRugby2]

I just think that SS and Hospital Cup should be the third tier.

Not another new program.

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