QLD Premier Rugby 2014

[Sully]

The Round 3 round-up is posted on the front page.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/queensland-premier-rugby-round-3-2/

We have input from two forum members this week. Thanks guys.

Unfortunately no photos. I couldn't get out and I can't find any to 'borrow.

 

[Red Heavy]

TT very good point re sunnybank on the ropes after 3 rounds and they still haven't met the premiers or the comps form team souths. A lot of must win games between now and finals

 

[FilthRugby]

How did Uni go? Reckon they could be final contenders? ^

 

[Red Heavy]

I didn't make the game on the weekend but I hear there was a few unhappy supporters with the teams effort in defence.
Hard to gauge were the team is at until they meet the big 4 (souths, easts, brothers and GPS)
Biggest issue at the moment seems to be losing players to NZ.

 

[thierry dusautoir]

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I didn't make the game on the weekend but I hear there was a few unhappy supporters with the teams effort in defence.
Hard to gauge were the team is at until they meet the big 4 (souths, easts, brothers and GPS)
Biggest issue at the moment seems to be losing players to NZ.

I think a lot of clubs are in that boat, but NZ is an attractive proposition. Worked out well for Tom Murday

 

[SouthernX]

I didn't make the game on the weekend but I hear there was a few unhappy supporters with the teams effort in defence.
Hard to gauge were the team is at until they meet the big 4 (souths, easts, brothers and GPS)
Biggest issue at the moment seems to be losing players to NZ.

Who have you lost Red Heavy?

I may have mentioned this over in the NRC threads about the talent pool quota needed for ITM of AUSSIE imports has now dried up & because Shire Shield players will be filling 4 NRC teams that Brisbane Premier rugby now becomes a area ITM franchises will be targeting to round out their rosters.

 

[Tigers Tale]

SX - Aidan Toua was headed to ITM last year before he had a heart to heart with Coach Richards, then unfortunately the injury he sustained in Round 18 put him out of the QPR finals.

 

[SouthernX]

SX - Aidan Toua was headed to ITM last year before he had a heart to heart with Coach Richards, then unfortunately the injury he sustained in Round 18 put him out of the QPR finals.

There will be no Aidan Touas, Beau Robinsons or Chibbas like in years past playing ITM because they now have a proper 3rd tier to support their development.

With only 2 qld teams featured in Australia's marquee breeding ground of course the NZ will be looking towards our competition to fill out their remaining roster spots in their comp. the ratio of players will be mien ute but still noticable compared to years past

 

[Tigers Tale]

How is the depth at Souths in the crucial positions?

I know if Easts were to lose Brandon they would have trouble filling the #10 jersey if UJ was unavailable, probably have to move Mullins to #10 and bring in Adam Deck @ #9. Deck is a very good scrumhalf and will put pressure on Mullins for his spot but Mullins is looking more like a half back in 2014 after a full season in the position and he is just a good footballer no matter what number he has on his back. That versatility and injury has probably held him back a little going back a few seasons.

I recall Easts in 2011 won the first 8 games then injury toll set in and despite defeating Brothers in the Welsby Cup in Round 17 missed the semis again!! Easts used more than 40 players in Premier Grade that year.

I am not wanting to death ride our south side cousin but it is a long season QPR so don't start counting chickens at Chipsy Wood just yet.

And Red Heavy please don't roll out the "Poor Uni" tale because such is the depth that you have that no matter who you run out in Prems Uni are always hard to beat particularly at St Lucia. And if the Reds don't make the S15 finals you'll get back Owen, Hanson, Harris, Davies, JJ. And you have Gale @ #9 so nothing shabby about a line up that contains some or all of this lot.

And RH you sit top of the table after 3 rounds with a F&A 50 points better than anyone else in the comp, please leave sourcing the underdog tag to those that sit outside the top 4!!

No club would want to come up against a Reds reinforced Uni or Sunnybank in the finals.

 

[Red Heavy]

Definitely not trying to claim underdog status or poor uni at all.
With the squad we have I would assume we will be near the pointy end come finals time even with out the reds boys coming back. I was just trying to say (with all due respect to the teams we have played so far) it's hard to gauge where you will sit until you have played what I see as the big 4. Souths undefeated start is much more impressive since they have knocked off last years grand-finalists.
As for players leaving for a paid gig it's a great thing for the boys and will never be begrudged at uni. I just wished that the temptation of the revamped ARC would be enough to hold the boys from all clubs for at least the first season. But with only 2 teams in QLD and what you would assume only limited spots for club players you can hardly blame them.

 

[Tigers Tale]

Agree with all these points Red Heavy.

 

[FilthRugby]

TT, did you go to any Easts finals in the 90s? I heard yesterday that there was one final against Souths, (mid to late 90s?) where Easts won by a conversion! Richard Graham might have been captaining Easts at the stage after coming over from GPS.

 

[warhorse]

TT, did you go to any Easts finals in the 90s? I heard yesterday that there was one final against Souths, (mid to late 90s?) where Easts won by a conversion! Richard Graham might have been captaining Easts at the stage after coming over from GPS.

Easts beat Souths in 1997. Souths were in GF's in 58,80,86,87,88,89,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,2000 & 2009 winning in 58,86,91,92,93,94,95,98 and 2000.

 

[Fritz]

Easts beat Souths in 1997. Souths were in GF's in 58,80,86,87,88,89,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,2000 & 2009 winning in 58,86,91,92,93,94,95,98 and 2000.

20-19 I think the score was Souths had a number of internationals Richard Graham was man of the match

 

[Tigers Tale]

Filth they played in GF v Souths ('95) lost; v South ('97) won 19-18 or 18-17 Richard Graham was #15 capt was Peter Murdoch, coach Grant Batty; v Wests ('99) won by a point, Tony McGahan (Rebels coach) @ #12; Richard graham # 15 & Capt, coach Adrian Thompson current Aust U20 coach.

GF losses in 1971 when Ian McMillan broke his neck, 1984, both losses to bros and then also in about 2002 to Canberra.

4 premierships in last 20 years 97,99,08,13 equals Souths over same period.

 

[Tigers Tale]

Filth I went back to the 2013 forum for these Grand Final & Premiership stats for each club that I did after the 2013 grand final.

Last 20 years GF appearances ; L20 years P/ships; L10 years P/ships
Souths 7;4;0;
Easts 6;4;2;
Canberra 3;3;0
Snbbnk 5;3;3
Uni 3;2;2
Wests 4;1;1
GC 5;1;1
Bros 4;1;1
GPS 2;1;0
S/Coast 1;0;0
Norths 0;0;0

An historical account of Grand Final results can be found at this link:

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/PremierRugby/History/TheHospitalCup.aspx

Unlike the Shute Shield, Hospital Cup success has been tasted by 8 of the existing 9 QPR clubs in the last 20 years. Unfortunately the only club not to have appeared in a Grand Final over this period is Norths and I don't think anyone would begrudge them success if it came their way soon, and it looks based upon the 2014 results to date that Wests & Bond are heading in the right direction.

Norths (formerly Teachers-Norths) last appeared in a grand final in 1981.

Souths last Hospital Cup win was in 2000.

Sunnybank with 3 premierships over the last decade would arguably be the best performed club over the last 10 years.

Souths and Easts have both won 4 premierships in the last 20 years but this 20 year period dates back to only 1994 and does not include Souths premierships in 91, 92 & 93 (which were in addition to their wins in 94,95,98 & 2000).

It also doesn't include Uni's 3 in a row from 1988-90. Nor Brothers 5 in a row from 1980-84.

It is interesting that the Brothers (80-84) and Souths (91-95) streaks were both 5 in a row.

Would anyone be bold enough to suggest which was the better team if we could get these two eras on the same field?

I may not have aligned the years or positions correctly but wouldn't you love to have seen these one on ones:

Handy/D'Arcy v Crowley
Connoly/McBain v Foley/Cannon
Nightingale/McCall v Morgan
Shaw v Sam Scott-Young
Burke v Perrin/Carroll/Robinson/Connors
Lavin v Tait/Johnstone
McLean v John Mulvihill
Moon/Hanley v Little/Horan

I am sure that Filth & Warhorse can help making the comparison of these two great eras for their respective clubs.

 

[SouthernX]

Friday night REDS

Would be nice if we saw the Reds reserves down playing at clubland over the weekend.

 

[Tigers Tale]

What are the two QLD NRC Squads going to look like?

Purely for discussion purposes I have compiled these lists - they are not intended to be complete or informative lists as I am not aware of every contender at the various clubs and I have tried to leave aside my Easts allegiances for once. Nor am I aware of what basis they will set the eligibility criteria for each side.

You will see once you put all the players from the various Reds squads in the mix that doesn't leave a hell of a lot of vacancies for the club toiler.

Brisbane
Player Position Squad Club
Pettowa Paraka 1 Prop WTS EAS
James Hanson 2 Hooker Reds UNI
Jono Owen 3 Prop Reds UNI
David McDuling 4 Lock Reds UNI
Ed O'Donoghue 5 Lock Reds WES
Eddie Quirk 6 Flanker Reds EAS
Michael Gunn 7 Flanker AUS U20s EAS
Curtis Browning 8 Flanker Reds UNI
Nick Frisby 9 Scrumhalf Reds GPS
Michael Harris 10 Inside Centre Reds UNI
Dom Shipperley 11 Wing Reds BROS
Ben Tapuai 12 Centre Reds SNB
Samuela Kerevi 13 Outside Centre ETS GPS
Lachie Turner 14 Wing Reds EAS
Jamie-Jerry Taulagi 15 Fullback Reds UNI
Sef Fa’agase R1 Prop WTS UNI
Alifeleti Kaitu'u R2 Hooker AUS U20s SOU
Kirwan Sanday R3 Prop QPR EAS
R4 Lock ???
R5 Lock ???
Adam Korczyk R6 Backrower QLD U20 UNI
Conor Mitchell R7 Backrower QLD U20 UNI
Jono Ellis R8 Backrower ??? GPS
Jack Mullins R9 Scrumhalf QPR EAS
Nigel Genia R9A Scrumhalf WTS WES
Sam Greene R10 Flyhalf WTS BROS
Nigel Ah Wong R11 Wing WTS SNB
Sam Johnson R12 Centre WTS GPS
Toby White R13 Outside Centre QPR EAS
Tom Banks R14 Wing AUS U20s UNI
Andy Muirhead R15 Fullback ??? SOU

Wallabies alligned to Brisbane
James Horwill 5 Lock Reds UNI
Liam Gill 7 Flanker Reds SNB
Jake Schatz 8 No. 8 Reds SNB
Quade Cooper 10 Flyhalf Reds SOU


QLD Country
Player Position Squad Club
Ben Daley 1 Prop Reds BOND
Albert Anae 2 Hooker Reds SOU
Greg Holmes 3 Prop Reds SNB
Blake Enever 4 Lock ETS EAS
Jack Payne 5 Lock AUS U20s BROS
6 Backrower ???
Beau Robinson 7 Flanker Reds SOU
Tim Buchanan 8 WTS UNI
Ben Lucas 9 Flyhalf Reds SNB
Jake McIntyre 10 Flyhalf AUS U20s SNB
Rod Davies 11 Wing Reds UNI
Anthony Fainga'a 12 Centre Reds GPS
Chris Feauai-Sautia 13 Outside Centre Reds SOU
Chris Kuridrani 14 Wing ETS GPS
Aidan Toua 15 Fullback Reds EAS
R1 Prop ???
Andrew Ready R2 Hooker WTS EAS
Phil Kite R3 Prop WTS GPS
Sam Fattal R4 Lock Qld U20 EAS
R5 Lock ???
Lolo Fakaosilea R6 Backrower Qld U20 SNB
Digger McMillian R7 Backrower Qld U20 BOND
R8 Backrower ???
Scott Gale R9 Scrumhalf AUS U20s UNI
R10 Flyhalf ???
Veresa Mataitini R11 Wing WTS NOR
UJ Seuteni R12 Inside Centre WTS EAS
Kimami Sitauti R13 Outside Centre WTS BROS
R14 Wing ???
Jonah Placid R15 Fullback AUS U20s EAS



Wallabies alligned to Country
James Slipper 1 Prop Reds BOND
Saia Fainga'a 2 Hooker Reds GPS
Rob Simmons 5 Lock Reds SNB
Will Genia 9 Scrumhalf Reds ???



Other QLD U20s not included above

Props: Markus Vanzati (Souths); Aaron Pleash (University of Queensland); Tom Moloney (Brothers); Ben Tarr (Souths); Dylan Sikameti (GPS)

Hookers: Francois Postal (Brothers)

Locks: Terrin Walls (Brothers)

Backrow:; Joe Wrampling (Sunnybank); David Findlay-Henaway (Souths)

Halfbacks: Adam Deck (Easts); James Tuttle (GPS)

Flyhalves: Patrick James (Brothers)

Centres: Levi Aumua (GPS); Giles Beveridge (Brothers); Nigel Tanuvasa (Souths)

Outside Backs: Gareth Kalell (University of Queensland); Isaiah Mosese (Brothers)

 

[FilthRugby]

You know your history, TT! Good to see.

Might want to throw Cannon over to our side, I think he ran around at Brothers at some stage, I think it was when he was younger, then crossed the boarder to those dreaded Waratahs.

What was the go with Canberra? I can't recall. I remember them being strong, with a young Matt Giteau staring!

 

[Tigers Tale]

Filth - been busy this morning!!

Brendan Cannon was a Souths Junior/Lauries Old Boy and played initially as a No.8 for Souths Colts & Grades before shifting to hooker where his ability to play hooker for Souths was obstructed by the fact that Michael Foley played for the Magpies so he and his brother went over and played for Brothers - I think it was a John Connolly thing.

But if you asked Brendan he'd consider himself more Souths than Filth.

Logging off now to get some work done.