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Qld Premier Rugby 2012

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TOCC

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The other thing is, geographically Logan aren't all that far from Sunnybank..
If we were to examine population catchments and potential teams to promote, then Redlands would surely be right up there as a favourable option.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
I think Logan being close to Sunnybank is really no reason for promotion or no promotion, I know that is one of main places we lose good players to that are hoping to make Prem rugby. Also Bank would be club that is happier than most others to see us stay where we are. I know we lose a few to Easts, like Faulkner and Wilder (was having a beer with both their dads at Logans game at Uni on Sat, and are both still great Logan supporters). Logan's other point of difference to SBank, is we are actually apart from Beenleigh, the only senior club in Logan City. I not arguing strongly one way or other on Prems, I think Logan shoul be considered if changes are made, and have seen how many times goalposts have changed over years, numbers of juniors, senior teams etc etc, when it has been pointed out that Logan have met criteria more than some existing prem clubs etc,it just drifts on. As for Redlands I know they also may have a case, but I know last year they considered returning to Subbies, as player numbers were so bad. All in all whatever happens ,happens we are still pretty pleased where we are, and I think the thing that pleases me is that a lot of players that try their luck elsewhere end up coming back, as they feel it a real well run club with good atmosphere. And that to me is most important thin a rugby club can have.
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
Might level the playing field a bit if Logan City had a Premier team.

There's a side of the argument that all the boys wouldn't have to leave the Logan area to play Premier Grade rugby so they could retain some of their up & comers.

But on the flip side is Logan City has a severe advantage at home games when Premier grade teams have to take 7 quality reserve grade players to fill out a premier bench up to the Sunny Coast, thus giving the unfair advantage of the Logan City Rezzis team playing a understaffed team. (it levels out when Logan City have their matches in the away fixtures).. But Still.

I'm all for Logan City being the next inclusion into the competition.
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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If Logan were to be included it would have to be at the expense of another team currently in the comp. I can't see any of the other teams dropping out and the 2 coast teams are a must have as they provide a pathway for players in their regions.
I personally think that a few clubs would benefit from relocating to new venues but that is an argument that I will loose every time as the traditionalists and current members wouldn't support it.
 
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southernx sunny coast used 2 logan players (wiremu and patty) who were keen to play and help cover frontrow dont kno where you get 7 from.
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
southernx sunny coast used 2 logan players (wiremu and patty) who were keen to play and help cover frontrow dont kno where you get 7 from.

I wasn't talking specifically about this past Saturday because those set of Stingrays & Saints fixtures were played at St Lucia.

I probably didn't explain myself good first time (note quote below), but My reference was to 7 Quality reserve grade players on the bench refers to when the Stingrays play a fixture at Sunnycoast & The Saints play at Meadowbrook. So for example Brothers is playing Sunshine Coast this Saturday & they will have to pull 7 or 8 players from their reserve grade team to sit on bench for the Premiers whilst the normal reserve grade travels to Logan City severely under strength.

If Logan City joins the Premier Grade ranks then they wouldn't have that luxury of facing rugby clubs where players can't be at 2 places at one time. But I think that would be negated because they'd be able to recruit better in the Logan catchment area and have more players who aspire to play top flight footy.

But on the flip side is Logan City has a severe advantage at home games when Premier grade teams have to take 7 quality reserve grade players to fill out a premier bench up to the Sunny Coast
 

Penguin

John Solomon (38)
The other thing is, geographically Logan aren't all that far from Sunnybank..
If we were to examine population catchments and potential teams to promote, then Redlands would surely be right up there as a favourable option.



Logan isn't that close to Sunnybank at all. Souths & Easts are both a lot closer to the Dragons. In fact Logan is the perfect distance away to fill the gap between the Gold Coast side & the south Brisbane teams.

I'd love to see both Logan & Redlands join the comp eventually. Any northside areas that might push for inclusion if expansion ever happens? Redcliffe perhaps? They had a pretty strong juniors way back in the '70's & 80's. Have no idea about now-a-days.
 

East Coast Aces

Johnnie Wallace (23)
Unfortunetly Redlands don't come close to Logan in terms of deserving to be promoted. They have a huge catchment area, with Easts being their closest team. They have a few Private schools who play rugby - Iona and Ormiston College (granted not GPS schools). A large junior club and 3 fields. However they can't even fill 3 teams just 2 weeks into the comp. I rekon we bring Logan in ASAP and get a bye week going. This might even motivate Redlands to getting their shit together. I am also surprised the Ipswich Rangers aren't pressuring for a crack. They have exclusive access to a GPS and AIC school and a huge and expanding catchment area?

3rd tier will probably never get past the realm of the 7 inner city suburban kingdoms (plus SBank) without a huge emphasis and financial support from the QRU in a similar (scaled down) version the the AFL in GC and GWS.
 
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TOCC

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Logan isn't that close to Sunnybank at all. Souths & Easts are both a lot closer to the Dragons. In fact Logan is the perfect distance away to fill the gap between the Gold Coast side & the south Brisbane teams.

I'd love to see both Logan & Redlands join the comp eventually. Any northside areas that might push for inclusion if expansion ever happens? Redcliffe perhaps? They had a pretty strong juniors way back in the '70's & 80's. Have no idea about now-a-days.

I checked google earth, these are the distances of home grounds from Sunnybank:
Logan- 16min(12km)
Souths- 16min(14km)
Easts- 19min(21km)

Distances aren't everything though, you also need to factor in the population density of these areas as well, Sunnybank and Logan would encroach on each others catchment area and whilst Logan can always look further South towards Beenleigh, these are low density areas therefore not a straightforward solution... Sunnybank also have there fingers in areas like Browns Plains which technically fall under the Logan City banner.

I believe that Logan will become a viable option in the next 5 - 10 years with population growth in the South-West corridor, however for the viability of the premier grade competition, i don't believe that right now is the best time to promote a team, it will weaken the playing strength of the competition which already displays massive disparities.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
TOCC, while like I said I not to worried about not being in Prems, but thought I should point out one thing again, Sunnybank is in Brisbane, Logan are apart from Beenleigh (who we tradionally have had a great relationship with) the only club in Logan city, I would imagine for Unions sake it would be great to have a Prem club from the city. I would love to see Ipswich come through and be able to have a prem team at sometime to, as I think League gets a free run out there without a higher profile union club.
I do know Souths made some tentative queries about moving to Logan a few years ago, as they also know there plenty of players down this way for a prem club to tap into.
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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And I think that is the key to getting Logan into Premier Rugby, one of the current clubs would have to move. It would make some sense for Souths to relocate as they have issues with the current ground, only one field, but again it would require an incentive for them to do it and would upset a lot of current members.
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
Souths-Logan Magpies would copyright infringe on the current Rugby League team. (At least I believe it would)

It wouldnt happen due to too much history at the Nest & Souths Rugby wouldn't want to become the Saints

*Note* there is 2 Easts Tigers, one at Stones Corner & the other at Morningside, so perhaps there would be no copyright issues with Souths Rugby moving to Logan. ALL MOOT POINT. Not going to happen.
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
Souths-Logan Magpies would copyright infringe on the current Rugby League team. (At least I believe it would)

It wouldnt happen due to too much history at the Nest & Souths Rugby wouldn't want to become the Saints

*Note* there is 2 Easts Tigers, one at Stones Corner & the other at Morningside, so perhaps there would be no copyright issues with Souths Rugby moving to Logan. ALL MOOT POINT. Not going to happen.
What sport are you referring too? If rugby Union the only Easts is at Coorparoo, not sure if Easts Riverside at Bulimba is still going.
If football then there is only one Easts located at Heath Park next to Churchie. And if League there is Easts at Coorparoo down from Villanova College, and their Junior club at Holland Park.
 

East Coast Aces

Johnnie Wallace (23)
There is also Easts Carina Tigers Rugby League, and Easts Tigers Hockey both at Clem Jones Centre Carina (Carina Bowls Club are tigers are tigers there aswell). I don't think copywrite would be a problem. It is quite funny how every sporting team in that area are Tigers. Were they native to that area?
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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But on the flip side is Logan City has a severe advantage at home games when Premier grade teams have to take 7 quality reserve grade players to fill out a premier bench up to the Sunny Coast, thus giving the unfair advantage of the Logan City Rezzis team playing a understaffed team. (it levels out when Logan City have their matches in the away fixtures).. But Still.

I'm all for Logan City being the next inclusion into the competition.

I would think most clubs would try and use players out of Premier Colts if possible so as to not disrupt the rest of the clubs teams. I know they would need some reserve grade players but if they need 7 then they would have their own issues.

Logan have been very impressive this year. They have been close in all their games apart from a shock away loss to Wests.
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
Is anyone still planning to head out to their respective clubs this weekend despite the Wallabies being on?

I'll still probably go down to Easts and see them take on University which should be a cracker. Hopefully we get a few of our injured back for it.
 
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