QLD GPS Rugby 2019

[Sgt Slaughter]

"Brad the agent called BS I think hes on to us, what shall we do"

"Tell him we will go to the players directly and rip them off that way"

"Great plan, very subtle no one will see it coming"

 

[Garry Owens]

The realities are :

1. A kid still at School doesn't need an Agent.

2. In 99% of cases an 18 or 19 year old playing Club who may be good enough to be playing Colts 1 to possibly 18 Academy to possibly U19 NRC doesn't need an Agent

Anything beyond that ? Depends on the individual and whether they want to broaden their horizon beyond their back yard and the role of true advocacy based representation seems like a fair enough proposition

It's this sleazy ego fuelled entry level type chicken hawking of Schoolboys and entry level pathway development that is rank and really needs overhauling

It's such a critical time in a young bloke's development ( and I am talking education / rest of life development and not Rugby ) and to have these cancerous pricks infiltrating Schools and Clubs at entry points and filling young blokes and their wood duck parents heads full of shit - that disrupts and interferes with vocational focus - just so that stock in trade can be built up in a numbers game stable for eventual low level flips , is disgusting

Morally and ethically bankrupt are words that come to mind

Sort of stunning that RUPA currently permit guardians to sign on behalf of their sons if they are under 18.

Beyond the agent stacking the stable in a game of Rugby Lotto , what exactly is anyone gaining from "signings" at this age/stage/level ?

Fuck all are also words that come to mind

 

[Rugby King]

The realities are :

1. A kid still at School doesn't need an Agent.

2. In 99% of cases an 18 or 19 year old playing Club who may be good enough to be playing Colts 1 to possibly 18 Academy to possibly U19 NRC doesn't need an Agent

Anything beyond that ? Depends on the individual and whether they want to broaden their horizon beyond their back yard and the role of true advocacy based representation seems like a fair enough proposition

It's this sleazy ego fuelled entry level type chicken hawking of Schoolboys and entry level pathway development that is rank and really needs overhauling

It's such a critical time in a young bloke's development ( and I am talking education / rest of life development and not Rugby ) and to have these cancerous pricks infiltrating Schools and Clubs at entry points and filling young blokes and their wood duck parents heads full of shit - that disrupts and interferes with vocational focus - just so that stock in trade can be built up in a numbers game stable for eventual low level flips , is disgusting

Morally and ethically bankrupt are words that come to mind

Sort of stunning that RUPA currently permit guardians to sign on behalf of their sons if they are under 18.

Beyond the agent stacking the stable in a game of Rugby Lotto , what exactly is anyone gaining from "signings" at this age/stage/level ?

Fuck all are also words that come to mind

1. The boys have started getting agents as the Reds are chasing them now at age16!! Chicken and the eggs stuff.
2.A good agent, and there a few of them, gives the boy good guidance and points out all the options. Not all parents have the experience or knowledge to give this guidance.

 

[Garry Owens]

What a load of shit

 

[Rugby King]

What a load of shit

No need to go all intellectual and philosophical!!

 

[The Nomad]

The realities are :

1. A kid still at School doesn't need an Agent.

2. In 99% of cases an 18 or 19 year old playing Club who may be good enough to be playing Colts 1 to possibly 18 Academy to possibly U19 NRC doesn't need an Agent

Anything beyond that ? Depends on the individual and whether they want to broaden their horizon beyond their back yard and the role of true advocacy based representation seems like a fair enough proposition

It's this sleazy ego fuelled entry level type chicken hawking of Schoolboys and entry level pathway development that is rank and really needs overhauling

It's such a critical time in a young bloke's development ( and I am talking education / rest of life development and not Rugby ) and to have these cancerous pricks infiltrating Schools and Clubs at entry points and filling young blokes and their wood duck parents heads full of shit - that disrupts and interferes with vocational focus - just so that stock in trade can be built up in a numbers game stable for eventual low level flips , is disgusting

Morally and ethically bankrupt are words that come to mind

Sort of stunning that RUPA currently permit guardians to sign on behalf of their sons if they are under 18.

Beyond the agent stacking the stable in a game of Rugby Lotto , what exactly is anyone gaining from "signings" at this age/stage/level ?

Fuck all are also words that come to mind

Couldn’t agree more .

These young lads need a balanced outlook of life , not someone blowing wind up their arses and telling them how great it’s going to be .

How many Aussie Schoolboys have never made it to professional rugby?

Where are the agents when the wheels fall off and the black dog raises its head?

The young lads running around playing our game should not be treated as commodities , they are young , impressionable , developing human beings , not talent to be stacked for later use .

 

[Sgt Slaughter]

The realism is, professional teams are trying to lock in young players early - in that scenario you would be silly not to seek professional guidance from a player agent regardless of age.

Picone is one of the best in the game, don’t take my word for it look at his portfolio - Kerevi left because the ARU/QRU low balled his offer and then shagged around, I bet my house on it. You pay peanuts you get monkeys

 

[Sgt Slaughter]

The realities are :

1. A kid still at School doesn't need an Agent.

2. In 99% of cases an 18 or 19 year old playing Club who may be good enough to be playing Colts 1 to possibly 18 Academy to possibly U19 NRC doesn't need an Agent

Anything beyond that ? Depends on the individual and whether they want to broaden their horizon beyond their back yard and the role of true advocacy based representation seems like a fair enough proposition

It's this sleazy ego fuelled entry level type chicken hawking of Schoolboys and entry level pathway development that is rank and really needs overhauling

It's such a critical time in a young bloke's development ( and I am talking education / rest of life development and not Rugby ) and to have these cancerous pricks infiltrating Schools and Clubs at entry points and filling young blokes and their wood duck parents heads full of shit - that disrupts and interferes with vocational focus - just so that stock in trade can be built up in a numbers game stable for eventual low level flips , is disgusting

Morally and ethically bankrupt are words that come to mind

Sort of stunning that RUPA currently permit guardians to sign on behalf of their sons if they are under 18.

Beyond the agent stacking the stable in a game of Rugby Lotto , what exactly is anyone gaining from "signings" at this age/stage/level ?

Fuck all are also words that come to mind

If professional teams stop offering young superstars contracts maybe it will change - not sure why this is an agent problem, if you want to change the culture turn the tap off don’t blame the person selling the water.

 

[Jets]

Rugby is super unionised, thanks to RUPA. Unless the player is exceptional, JOC (James O'Connor), Quade etc, they are going to get the same contract. All they are doing is paying someone between 7-12% of their wage.

 

[Sgt Slaughter]

Rugby is super unionised, thanks to RUPA. Unless the player is exceptional, JOC (James O'Connor), Quade etc, they are going to get the same contract. All they are doing is paying someone between 7-12% of their wage.

Standard or not a contract is a contract that requires professional consultation, JOC (James O'Connor) and Quades probably not a good example - but I understand what you are saying still disagree but understand

 

[Patriot]

Yep, professionalism fucked rugby.

 

[Les Patterson]

BBC Vs NC - Draw cant think who will win
ACGS VS TGS - ACGS by 10
BSHS Vs BGS - BSHS by 10
TSS Vs IGS - TSS by 30

Some big games in the 2nds this week with ACGS Vs TGS and BBC vs NC. ACGS, TGS & NC undefeated so far and BBC one loss I think.

Going for an upset: The Mountain men to beat the Swamp Dwellers in both Firsts and Seconds.

 

[The Nomad]

The reality is that by far the majority of contracts offered to school age players are nothing more than development contracts. They are very standard and like for like amongst franchises.

Being shopped around for a better deal at this stage and level does very little for your long term career or your reputation.

 

[Jets]

The reality is that by far the majority of contracts offered to school age players are nothing more than development contracts. They are very standard and like for like amongst franchises.

Being shopped around for a better deal at this stage and level does very little for your long term career or your reputation.

Also if you're living at home there is no need to move interstate for $5K more, you'll end up being worse off. Your manager may push for you to go so they can earn the extra $350.

 

[Sgt Slaughter]

The reality is that by far the majority of contracts offered to school age players are nothing more than development contracts. They are very standard and like for like amongst franchises.

Being shopped around for a better deal at this stage and level does very little for your long term career or your reputation.

It is obvious that you do not understand the role of an agent - agents assist players and their families to make an informed decision. If it is more beneficial to go somewhere else to develope whats wrong with that. We all know the QRU are mud at identifying talent.....move on

Jet ^^^ I’ve never heard of an agent doing that - but don’t get it twisted there are plenty of bad agents like there is good and bad plumbers, players/families have to do their home work as well.

 

[Garry Owens]

It is obvious that you do not understand the role of an agent - agents assist players and their families to make an informed decision. If it is more beneficial to go somewhere else to develope whats wrong with that. We all know the QRU are mud at identifying talent...move on

Seems dumb business to me to piss in the cheerios of the Reds and RA - and get blackballed. Would think by by extension , other franchises would follow suit . Not an issue , as reported , surrounding the 14 other agents the Reds deal with in what Wayne Smith referenced in his article .

So go ahead and bag the Reds talent ID . Are there not Junior pathway players represented by NSS in this mix ?

Granted they may not be as talented as related party “coaches” who run popular media puff pieces in playing a game of “build a star” and the dog and pony show that comes with it

 

[Jets]

It's going to be a much different situation for different families. If one of your parents is a lawyer or has friends that are it should be a pretty straight forward process. On the other hand if your parents don't have any formal education and English isn't their first language, having a trusted adviser to look out for your son would be a big plus.

The major problem is who that person is.

 

[Sgt Slaughter]

And of course related party school based “coaches” are so much better

Probably not as good as doing Courier Mail puff pieces in playing Pygmalion

That is the smartest thing I think you’ve ever said lol #NailontheHead

 

[Mark Myers]

Seems dumb business to me to piss in the cheerios of the Reds and RA - and get blackballed. Would think by by extension , other franchises would follow suit . Not an issue , as reported , surrounding the 14 other agents the Reds deal with in what Wayne Smith referenced in his article .

So go ahead and bag their Reds talent ID . Are there not Junior pathway players represented by NSS in this mix ?

Granted they may not be as talented as related party “coaches” who run popular media puff pieces in playing a game of “build a star” and the dog and pony show that comes with it

Call me silly but who is NSS?

 

[Mark Myers]

The realities are :

1. A kid still at School doesn't need an Agent.

2. In 99% of cases an 18 or 19 year old playing Club who may be good enough to be playing Colts 1 to possibly 18 Academy to possibly U19 NRC doesn't need an Agent

Anything beyond that ? Depends on the individual and whether they want to broaden their horizon beyond their back yard and the role of true advocacy based representation seems like a fair enough proposition

It's this sleazy ego fuelled entry level type chicken hawking of Schoolboys and entry level pathway development that is rank and really needs overhauling

It's such a critical time in a young bloke's development ( and I am talking education / rest of life development and not Rugby ) and to have these cancerous pricks infiltrating Schools and Clubs at entry points and filling young blokes and their wood duck parents heads full of shit - that disrupts and interferes with vocational focus - just so that stock in trade can be built up in a numbers game stable for eventual low level flips , is disgusting

Morally and ethically bankrupt are words that come to mind

Sort of stunning that RUPA currently permit guardians to sign on behalf of their sons if they are under 18.

Beyond the agent stacking the stable in a game of Rugby Lotto , what exactly is anyone gaining from "signings" at this age/stage/level ?

Fuck all are also words that come to mind

Kids are on rugby scholarships as early as 13 years old and often well before agents are on the seen as schools regularly attend carnivals in search of players to assist in securing those lucrative trophies. I have also heard of many cases where franchise academy coaches have approached kids at school games without parents present and offered them positions. I presume you are also referring to these people as cancerous pricks.

I wonder what the parents think of the 100's of families that have had schools and agents assist them with scholarships to schools that they would never have thought possible.

I just did some research on the agent in question and he has been working with Rugby in Australia for 20+ years and managed some of the most famous players in Australian rugby during and post golden era. I can only assume he would know more than the entire QRU board put together. When teams are under the pump they look for a scapegoat and I somehow feel they have summoned the wrong goat here.