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Players who boosted/decreased ere chances following the Austrlia A v Leicester game

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Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Pretty good ratings fatprop relatively to one another. I disagree with a couple but that is neither here nor there.

Davies sits on the wing and waits for the ball...... Great Super rugby wing though but that's it.
He's not a great Super player yet and hasn't had a chance to be. He is a very fast individual who is worthily a project of both the Wallabies and the Reds. It is likely that he would be a better footie player now had he not gone to rugby league straight out of school, but there is another possibility that the Broncos thought that they could not turn him into a footie player in their code. [Don't respond to that last comment - I just distrust what I read in the papers.]

Let's see how he goes in the the S15 and learn if he can hold down a regular starting spot for the Reds, both in rugby ability and fitness, as the first item on the agenda.
I thought Burgess was MOTM.
I don't think there was an official MOTM but he would have been mine and probably was for most other viewers, I expect.
I think this game mostly proved that the starting side is pretty much right at this stage - with some minor tweaks to required for the bench. I must say that I was quite impressed with Edmonds. He plays like those talented but fat 5/8s and centres you see in 3rd grade club rugby.
Fair comment - and Edmonds played 12 for Eastern Suburbs a few times before he was in the Tahs stable.
 
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I have to agree, and might I add my congratulations on your new truly disturbing avatar.

Fatprop, I much preferred the dancing boy you had before. It nearly gave me Saturday Night Fever.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Agree with Ham. FP, your previous temporary avatar was not only not up to your usual high standard, but too close to TOCC's. Good change!
 
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Davies sits on the wing and waits for the ball. I did not see him help clean out or defend at a ruck once. He just stood watching. In this tpe of game your wings need to work like loose forwards at times on defense.
I haven't seen the game but that's a shame. One of his biggest assets during S14 this year was his work off the ball. Made a lot of tackles and did alot of work at the breakdown that went unnoticed by the majority. Hopefully it only lack of game time and he'll be back to best next year.
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Oh gee, if this were a were a case of parochialism don't you think I would have highlighted more Reds players?

Barnes missed a opportunity to stamp his dominance and make a challenge for Giteau, I'm not saying he played badly, but it definitely was not a great controlled performance by any means. Likewise with Burgess, his running game might be effective in the last 20min against tiring defence, but not as effective in the first 20min.

Slipper was the only one who really belied reputation by proving his a effective scrummager even against fresh front rows

Sorry TOCC, it was a joke. I'll ensure to add a smiley next time. :)
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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so the scrums went well? How was the wider forward performance, because the interesting thing to remember about this game is that David Nucifora was the coach.

Should Pato be stepping aside for Nuci?
 
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TOCC

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Noddy, I went to work with 20min to go but from what I witnessed, the scrum went quite well, more specifically James Slipper went well, he disrupted the Leicester scrum by placing enormous pressure on there tight head prop... Maafu more or less held his own, which is mostly what you want from a tight head

Sorry TOCC, it was a joke. I'll ensure to add a smiley next time. :)

I don't know how many times I have heard someone say it is difficult to convey sarcasm across the Internet or email...
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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from fox sports. There's video highlights (short) too.

Odd that Hodgo was mentioned as another standout when no one here thought much of him.

Rookie prop James Slipper is fast emerging as a big part of the solution to the Wallabies' front row problems after a powerhouse performance in Australia's 26-15 win over English club champions Leicester.

Slipper carted the ball over the gain line with venom and more than held his own in the scrum as he and flanker Matt Hodgson emerged as the standouts in an unconvincing Wallabies victory which nevertheless kept Australia's dream of an unbeaten spring tour intact.

"He's done well with every piece of time he's had," coach Robbie Deans said of 21-year-old Slipper, who has become a regular benchman for Australia since making his Test debut earlier this season.

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"For him to get 80 (minutes) out there is fantastic because he doesn't have a lot of background in feeder rugby so he's getting it here."

With the Test side's scrum again under pressure, Slipper's continued development is more than timely.

He is likely to again be named on Australia's bench for Sunday morning's Test against England at Twickenham but, should the scrum struggle again, could find himself amongst the fray earlier than expected.

Deans singled out the pack's efforts against Leicester for special praise.

Slipper, hooker Huia Edmonds, tighthead Sales Ma'afu and locks Van Humphries and Rob Simmons made up the unfamiliar tight five.

"The scrummaging was great," Deans said.

"That was a graphic example of exactly what we're here for, exactly why we opted for these fixtures.

"That was a Test match intensity and these blokes had to grind their way through what was a Test match circumstance, and where else can you get that background?"
 

Joe Mac

Arch Winning (36)
I watched it on ESPN in a Walkabout pub. Again, there were less Wallaby supporters than opposing fans. The commentators were the biggest joke I have ever witnessed.
Before kick-off they asked the English guests what had happened to Australian scrum of late and he said something along the lines of; "Australia have never had a real scrum, but they work out how to manipulate the ref everytime so that they can get away with it without pushing. In that regard they are the cleverest rugby nation in the world."
At one stage, when asked whether the Aussies had anything to play for he also said;
"There is a guy called Van Humphries in the team debuting at 34, this is will likely be his first and last ever game for the Wallabies so he will be determined to make the most of it."
And another;
"If I were Leicester, I would direct my team to run at Berrick Barnes in Attack. He has shown in the past to be a weak link defensively."

Once the actual game started; the scrum was the most dominant I have ever seen it from a Wallabies team. They really looked like they had been working the bollocks off since saturday to get them prepared. That gave me some reassurance for the weekend.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
It was a very imposing scrum but both props were 3rd string (sure, the THP was Julian White but he is 37 now and is a farmer most days) and moreover: the LHP was a THP.

As I wrote in the main thread: 3 of their 4 main props (Ayerza, Coles and Castrogiovanni) were not playing because of their national duties and the other one, Stankovitch, was injured. Sure, the standard line of you can only play what's in front of you applies, but we shouldn't get too carried away.

Good to see the other team having to make the excuses though for a change. Sweet.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Wayne Smith as singled out James Slipper:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-wallabies-scrum/story-e6frg7o6-1225951382566

This comes after James Slipper on Tuesday staked his claim for a starting Test role.

The hugely talented 21-year-old Reds front-rower put both props on notice that he is ready to step up to the Test XV with a powerhouse display in the scrum and around the field in the Wallabies’ 26-15 victory over Leicester at Welford Road last night.

None of the seven uncapped players used by Australia last night, all but six of them wearing the gold jersey for the first time, grabbed the occasion by the scruff of the neck.

The pick was Higginbotham, the powerfully built Queensland flanker who was denied a Test debut in Pretoria when he injured his back in the warm-up, who made himself useful in the lineout, at scrum time _ even if tighthead Salesi Ma’fu did have to slap him before every set piece _ and around the field.

Australian sevens captain Pat McCutcheon showed enough in his 15 minute cameo off the bench to suggest he will require closer watching in the Wallabies’ remaining midweek game, against Munster next week, although the man he replaced, Matt Hodgson, had distinguished himself by getting through an heroic amount of work.

The uncapped veteran of the side, 34-year-old Reds second-rower Van Humphries performed creditably in his first serious rugby match since the Super 14 ended in May but all those who had been hoping he might make a Cooper-like leap into Test calculations will have to put those dreams back on ice for at least another week.

Out wide Brumbies flyer Pat McCabe did what he did all season for the ACT, running straight and hard every time, while Leicester clearly must have been put on full alert about winger Rod Davies’ speed because they swarmed onto the Reds flyer every time he touched the ball.
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Wayne Smith saw stuff in Higginbotham that I didn't see, McCabe beat nobody (linebreaks = 0), Davies was anonymous and I thought Van played really well. Eye of the beholder, maybe.

Nah, he's wrong. The opinion across the Internet is all about the same as here (with the exception of TOCC of course). ;)
 

The Rant

Fred Wood (13)
Brown was one of the best for Aus A on the field - completely outplayed Higgers in any case. Don't get all the comments. And burgess was arightful MOM - not a wallaby starter, but deserves to be the imapct scrumhalf with all his enthusiasm.

Mafu played himself out of europe IMO
Davies had nothing
Hynes was quiet

Turner was good.

Barnes is a 10 and proved it - he's more a 10 than a 12, but he's just not fit to our style right now. 2 years ago we would have loved him with a general play kicking game and solid defence. Now we want cooper flair and magic which is not his strong point. That said - the 2009 Reds had planty of flair in attack with barnes at 10 and cooper at 12.

Worth pointing out that higgers and Van and co hadn't played since super 14 really.
 

Brumbieman

Dick Tooth (41)
It's also what makes him valuable in a team that loses big leads far too often.


I'd disagree. Barnes natural instinct to kick can be an asset, if you are capable of kicking like Carter, or Morne Steyn. But he's not. He tends to just boot the ball away, as if that's enough. Its not, all that happens is that *insert fast/strong/dangerous counterattacking All Black* catches it, launches the counter attack, and we end up under even more pressure than before the kick.

NZ grind out games by holding onto the ball in their own half, and utilising their superior mental control and patience to grind their way up field, where Carter will then put in the 20m, but very accurate, stabbing kick into the corner. It works because with such a small kick, its almost impossible to get to if you've no predicted where the kick will go. What we've been doing then is booting the ball as far as we possibly can, from anywhere on the field, and then failing to put in a concerted chase with big numbers. A massive punt stays in the air a long time, and gives the opposition back 3 much more time to react and get into position for the kick.
I'd put our success this year down to the fact that our counter attack is SO much more dangerous, and Cooper's tactical kicking has become a shitload more accurate. We've essentially taken the kiwi's tactic and used it against them. We saw the benefits in Hong Kong, when Donald buggered up his clearance, in the same fashion as the Wallabies of the last few years. The lethal counter attack got us back on their 22 in about 5 seconds, and the kiwi's were given no opportunity to marshall their defence and catch their breath, resulting in the JOC (James O'Connor) try.

For this reason i'm not a fan of pulling Barnes back into the team. Giteau is being solid, but unspectacular. His defence, whilst not being of the same 'offensive defence' style as Fainga'a or Barnes, is holding up, and his recognised status will always mean that he attracts defenders. As such, i'm not really convinced that he needs to be dropped. Just because he's not being the superstar player we're used to, does not mean he's playing badly. Its just that Beiber, Beale and Cooper have taken over the 'flashy young up-and-comers" tag that Gits held for so long.

IF you were wanting a different style of play in the 12 jersey, without disrupting the current flow of the backline, i'd go with Fainga'a. His first instinct is to run straight and hard, rather than step/crab/lose momentum like Giteau. Barnes is more direct, but kicks too much. With the backline performing as it is, you want to give them as much ball as possible, so IMO the addition of Barnes would add a negative influence.

Fainga'a and Barnes are equally as 'offensive' in their defence, so the argument would come down to who would better suit the current style of play. I'd say that Fainga'a's willingness to take the ball hard into contact and get forward momentum, along with his reluctance to boot the ball away, would suit the backline more at this stage. I just think Barnes would mess with the flow too much by kicking away good counterattacking ball.
 
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